If we vote for Brexit what happens

The_Last_Username

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You'd blame the EU for an asteroid hitting Earth or a storm hitting Grimsby.

Unlike some, I like to take a balanced approach and take each individual matter objectively.
You should try it some time.
For a change.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Use google.

As your anti-EU blinkers will prevent any source I provide from being read objectively anyway.

the proportion of the UK taxpayers money that come back from the EU (less expenses etc) is mainly misspent on vanity projects, which have the primary aim of building set of an EU 'clients' to buy loyality to the EU. THis was disgracefully demonostrated by the Uni staff who were totally biased by the pork barrel politics.

you wouldn't do that with your OWN money

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

one can of course get grant to create more jobs by building a factory

one can of course, at a later time, 'reorganise' ones factories and close a few.

in Hamish speak, there is absolutely no relationship between the two actions : well of course not.

And speaking from a non-corporate view here, whatever I do now I'll probably stick with for the next 30 years to retirement. I've been inspired by Brexiteers, backed up by the airline discussion yesterday, which reinforces the view that we need to look ahead and change, so this is IMO completely with anyone involved in that discussion's blessing.

It'll take a pretty severe change of circumstances to be changed long-term, and it's one that I don't forsee happening. I don't think it's good to chop and change what's based where every 5 minutes based on what funding is available where.

Other companies may differ in opinions, however I value continuity and loyalty where practical. I also value the access to the single market which my company requires. I appreciate others don't have this priority.

As before, I am not willing to discuss exactly what my personal plans are in any further detail, any request to do so will be ignored and any threatening posts will be reported. I will, however, answer general questions related to business and economy within the UK and EU.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Methinks you well and truly lost this argument.

Methinks Hamish made valid points and you didn't give anything credible to argue with. We can't debate in everyone's interest if we're slinging mud at each other, and I'd like to think we could find a common ground somewhere in this debate, whatever our views on Brexit.

The_Last_Username wrote: »

YOU made the claim.
Prove it.

Wales and Cornwall took a sizeable sum of that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

You know my opinion on whether the British government should replace the money, and just incase you missed it the last several times, both voted to leave, so no it shouldn't.

CLAPTON

CKhalvashi wrote: »

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You know my opinion on whether the British government should replace the money, and just incase you missed it the last several times, both voted to leave, so no it shouldn't.

Whilst you may personally be motivated by narrowminded vindictiveness, I'm sure there are many people, who feel that taxpayers money should be used to the best advantage of the british people overall.
That may or may not mean that Devon and Cornwall get the same subsidies and it may or may not mean that similar projects receive similar grant.
However, we will know the UK taxpayers money, isn't simply being used to buy loyalty to the EU.

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

Whilst you may personally be motivated by narrowminded vindictiveness, I'm sure there are many people, who feel that taxpayers money should be used to the best advantage of the british people overall.
That may or may not mean that Devon and Cornwall get the same subsidies and it may or may not mean that similar projects receive similar grant.
However, we will know the UK taxpayers money, isn't simply being used to buy loyalty to the EU.

I don't see it like that.

I also advocate personal responsibility.

If the vote to leave was a clear sign that we don't require single market access and that immigration needs to come down, then it was also in these areas a clear sign that neither region want or require development funding any longer. It was also a clear sign in Sunderland that Nissan, which is owned by Renault, is no longer required to employ people if the new free market can justify moving the operation.

This 'clear sign' works both ways, not just in your favour. If you think I'm ridiculous in my assumptions on this area then May et al are being ridiculous in their assumptions too.

Rinoa

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You'd blame the EU for an asteroid hitting Earth or a storm hitting Grimsby.

Back in the day Grimsby was the busiest fishing port in the world, boasting 700 trawlers.

Then we joined the EU.

Today it has 5.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Rinoa wrote: »

Back in the day Grimsby was the busiest fishing port in the world, boasting 700 trawlers.

Then we joined the EU.

Today it has 5.

With or without the EU quotas for fishing the severely depleted waters needed to be implemented and will remain in effect.

Fish don't swim with a little map showing maritime boundaries.....;)

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

With or without the EU quotas for fishing the severely depleted waters needed to be implemented and will remain in effect.

Fish don't swim with a little map showing maritime boundaries.....;)

trawlers do, however

davomcdave

The_Last_Username wrote: »

YOU made the claim.
Prove it.

If you want an take on things rather than a pithy soundbite then this is a good starting point:

http://community.openspending.org/resources/eu/

It's a part of the EU's attempts to address some of the same criticisms that led up to Brexit that have been ongoing for over a decade now. The EU recognises the need for reform but it is very hard to reform an organisation's governance where any change to governance structures requires a 28 - 0 vote in favour of change.

Open Knowledge itself is an organisation that, AFAKIS, supports data transparency and so supports the EU's attempts to be more transparent.

I work in governance and most organisations I speak with want to have better governance but don't know the best way to do it. The EU seems to be trying to get better although I'd agree with anyone that said it has a long way to go.

Conrad

I hope May clarifies we'll be going for a hard (effective) Brexit in her speach on Tuesday. We need decisive action, not years of waffling at the EU squabble shop.