If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

as of today, our infrastructure need improving relative that that of 20 years ago (motorways were largely appropriate to the traffic, trains were far less crowded, family houses in london were affordable etc)

the change has been largely the increase in population (not solely)

so just to get back to that same level as we formilly enjoyed we need to spend money.

we would need to increase now tax now not to improve things realtive to 20 years ago but merely to spend for the population increase.

no theory about it, its a real cost of increase in population.

Alternatively our infrastructure has been grossly underinvested for at least the last 20 years and has failed to keep up with the needs of the population. I don't think the population up here has changed drastically in 20 years, but the infrastructure is falling apart and has been inadequate for as long as I remember.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Alternatively our infrastructure has been grossly underinvested for at least the last 20 years and has failed to keep up with the needs of the population. I don't think the population up here has changed drastically in 20 years, but the infrastructure is falling apart and has been inadequate for as long as I remember.

I was comparing like for like or crap with crap otherwise one can't make a comparison
so in your view a family sized house in london/se hasn't changed much in price over the 20 years nor rents (like for like) , the trains & roads haven't seen much change in useage and there really hasn't been any significant immigration anyway

Herzlos

I didn't say London. Up here, house prices haven't gone up by much more than inflation. Maybe 30% over inflation over 30 years.

London has a huge problem with prices, which isn't made better by migration (internal and external). But is the problem the migrants or is the problem lack of effort trying to keep up with demand? If the problem is migrants, how do you stop all the Northerners pushing prices up?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

I didn't say London. Up here, house prices haven't gone up by much more than inflation. Maybe 30% over inflation over 30 years.

London has a huge problem with prices, which isn't made better by migration (internal and external). But is the problem the migrants or is the problem lack of effort trying to keep up with demand? If the problem is migrants, how do you stop all the Northerners pushing prices up?

there is more space in the north and fewer immigrants

london is 40% immigrant (possibily more now)

ruggedtoast

wotsthat wrote: »

Although the words on the screen clearly state you have deep concerns for the welfare of Africans perhaps you're not believed?

Maybe it's the writing style or how you constantly highlight the damage the non-native born do once they become resident in the UK or something.

Yes. No one believes a word.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yes. No one believes a word.

given your stated matra of hate for brexiters, tories, new labour, rich, poor, the old and a few I've forgotten, it comes as no surprise you have no concern for the poorer peoples of the world and only feel comfortable with white, christian rich europeans: but why would anyone be surprised ?

mwpt

Herzlos wrote: »

I didn't say London. Up here, house prices haven't gone up by much more than inflation. Maybe 30% over inflation over 30 years.

London has a huge problem with prices, which isn't made better by migration (internal and external). But is the problem the migrants or is the problem lack of effort trying to keep up with demand? If the problem is migrants, how do you stop all the Northerners pushing prices up?

Take a look at hour price inflation graphs for nearly every major city in the world. Once you've done that, ask yourself, is EU migration really the common denominator across all these cities?

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Take a look at hour price inflation graphs for nearly every major city in the world. Once you've done that, ask yourself, is EU migration really the common denominator across all these cities?

but you might ask youself is migration a common denomintor
and you might ask yourself is correlation equal to causation
and you might note that a large number of 'major' cities are vast their world slums

so yes it would be an interesting exercise even if the sole purpose is to justify discriminating in favour of white christian european countries

mwpt

So why do people still flock to London, particularly people from other parts of the UK? It is obviously worth doing and pay has adjusted to rent levels / vice versa.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

I did like this quote
"In a standoff with close parallels to Britain’s situation after the Brexit vote, Brussels had refused to budge from its stance that any attempt to restrict free movement by caps or quotas would automatically exclude Switzerland from the single market."

This is no more than the Swiss parliament doing its damndest to sit on the fence - whether or not this will actually work only time will tell but there is certainly a fair ammount of wobbling on their precarious perch.

Brussels has yet to agree and the Swiss themselves are not exactly ecstatic.

The move was denounced by the SVP, which had backed the 2014 referendum and was strongly in favour of imposing quotas on immigration from the EU. The ‘light’ solution is a capitulation to pressure from the EU and violates the Swiss constitution, ATS reported the SVP’s Adrian Amstutz as saying.
The party may now launch a new popular initiative calling for the country to end its bilateral agreement with the EU over the free movement of people, the cause of three years of debate and anguish in parliament.

http://www.thelocal.ch/20161216/svp-bern-capitulates-with-final-immigration-vote