If we vote for Brexit what happens

ruggedtoast

Half of the Brexit voters I have met said they would never have voted Leave if they thought it would actually happen.

There's a real danger here that a very mixed, mostly protest vote, is hijacked by the anti foreigner xenophobes that inhabit UKIP meetings as being some kind of mandate for their awful right wing politics.

This is why it's important that Remain keeps the pressure up on May's government. She said there is a clear mandate to leave. There is no such thing. There was a clear mandate to stay and a roughly equal number of people voting for God knows what based on a pack of lies, half of whom wish they could change their ballot.

Masomnia

wotsthat wrote: »

In exactly the same way as NATO membership binds future parliaments to follow the rules whilst we're still members? Have you ever complained once about the loss of sovereignty that NATO, WTO, UN infers? Of course not.

At any point over the last 40 years parliament could've voted to leave the EU and the government then invoked article 50.

Those institutions don't make laws, and specifically laws that involve our borders, taxation, social security, environmental policy, employment law etc etc which override domestic law.

I don't know how you can compare the two.

Moby

mrginge wrote: »

Moaning because the govt is implementing interventionist economic policies that you would normally support.

Mrginge....do you think this govmt planned to implement such policies.....were such policies included in the last tory manifesto? Or are they introducing such policies because they have to?......because they have no choice.....because such as Nissan have them over a barrel!

We have had the tories saying for years that they believe in the free market and a laissez faire attitude to the markets.....why the sudden shift now ....must be a coincidence;)

The issue here is........... no matter how Brexit ultimately turns out, no matter what the evidence shows....the brexiteers will still think they've done the right thing....because they will have taken back control! The problem is Taken back control of what exactly.....a seedy little island off the coast of europe.....in which half the constituent parts want to move back to the EU. They will rue the day and so will the rest of us:mad:

Moby

Masomnia wrote: »

Those institutions don't make laws, and specifically laws that involve our borders, taxation, social security, environmental policy, employment law etc etc which override domestic law.

I don't know how you can compare the two.

In what way exactly are the Judges in our Supreme Court more accountable to you and me than those in the European Court?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

Mrginge....do you think this govmt planned to implement such policies.....were such policies included in the last tory manifesto? Or are they introducing such policies because they have to?......because they have no choice.....because such as Nissan have them over a barrel!

We have had the tories saying for years that they believe in the free market and a laissez faire attitude to the markets.....why the sudden shift now ....must be a coincidence;)

The issue here is........... no matter how Brexit ultimately turns out, no matter what the evidence shows....the brexiteers will still think they've done the right thing....because they will have taken back control! The problem is Taken back control of what exactly.....a seedy little island off the coast of europe.....in which half the constituent parts want to move back to the EU. They will rue the day and so will the rest of us:mad:

There ya go!
"seedy little island"!
Not only bigoted but unpatriotic too.

Thankfully, even Brexiter "idiots" (as that poster describes us) like myself are aware that not all pro-remainers are like that poster.

Herzlos

Masomnia wrote: »

Maternity rights.

From a cusory look we don't seem to do anything beyond the EU requirements. Also:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/17/brexit-threatens-british-workers-rights-maternity-leave-holiday-frances-ogrady-tuc-trades-union-congress-eu

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Many more, but here's a small sample:

https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2016/may/24/what-would-leaving-eu-mean--employment-rights

Enough there to start you off?

And the first 2 you quoted, regarding dismissal and minimum wage have already been threatened by Tory proposals. I don't know about the rest.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

From a cusory look we don't seem to do anything beyond the EU requirements. Also:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/17/brexit-threatens-british-workers-rights-maternity-leave-holiday-frances-ogrady-tuc-trades-union-congress-eu



And the first 2 you quoted, regarding dismissal and minimum wage have already been threatened by Tory proposals. I don't know about the rest.

Evidence please?
NOT hearsay; evidence of proposals.
Not "Frances O'Grady says ....."

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

I work with some Indian companies, and I know they are looking at buying more IT functions in the UK now.

It was commonplace to just offshore IT work, but the balance has changed now. They price in dollars and that gets you more UK resource.

Are they looking to move work to the UK because of Brexit itself, or because the UK has just made itself 20% cheaper in the short term?

Will they still want to use UK resources if inflation caused by the import market drives prices up?
Would they still have considered using UK resources if we voted to remain, but the GBP droped to a ~130 year low anyway?

wotsthat

Masomnia wrote: »

Those institutions don't make laws, and specifically laws that involve our borders, taxation, social security, environmental policy, employment law etc etc which override domestic law.

I don't know how you can compare the two.

They all have rules which we bind ourselves to follow. The EU have a much more extensive and broad set of rules which we agree to follow - isn't that the real issue?

EU laws don't override domestic law at all - we adopt and implement legislation - it's what we agree to do.

If we no longer agree to pool sovereignty and resource in certain areas we won't. Our choice, in fact one that we just made, and any parliament could've made the same choice any day in the last 40 years.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Are they looking to move work to the UK because of Brexit itself, or because the UK has just made itself 20% cheaper in the short term?
...

I'll be honest and say that my Brexit motivation was because I saw more opportunities outside the EU.

I can understand why some see their business depend on the EU. I respect that.

I didn't expect the drop in pound to produce a quick response. It could be temporary, who can say....it's far too early. I still think we should position ourselves to exploit relations with the growing economic areas, but that could take a while.