If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

I haven't seen any compelling evidence yet. Lots of very strained spin, but no hard evidence that Brexit will be a success.

Because it's not possible at this stage, because we've no idea what Brexit is going to be.

What I have seen, is a lot of costs go up, and a lot of companies demanding government assurance, and a few companies starting to move away already.

So you ignore the dozens of examples of foreign companies investing / expanding here since the vote?


Why would you want to ignore evidence? What's in it for you?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

I haven't seen any compelling evidence yet. Lots of very strained spin, but no hard evidence that Brexit will be a success.

Because it's not possible at this stage, because we've no idea what Brexit is going to be.

What I have seen, is a lot of costs go up, and a lot of companies demanding government assurance, and a few companies starting to move away already.

Is that because you refuse to see what you are being shown?
Because I have to say, I am seeing more companies moving TO the UK, or expanding business here.
But as they say, "You can lead a horse to water ....... "

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

So you ignore the dozens of examples of foreign companies investing / expanding here since the vote?

I've seen lots of foreign companies investing in here before the vote, and some buying stuff up whilst it's cheap, but none that are investing because they think Brexit is an improvement; lots of companies stating the opposite though.

Why would you want to ignore evidence? What's in it for you?

I'm looking at the evidence critically, not mashing it into my worldview.

Conrad wrote: »

Our workers rights are the best in Europe, beyond EU norms. Whitehall is renowned for copper plating EU rules and directives.

Our workers rights are very definitely not the best in the EU, and are about to get eroded further than we ever thought possible.

Can you name a single thing we do for our workers that is better than the EU norm?

Masomnia

wotsthat wrote: »

The sovereignty issue is overplayed. The UK must've been involved in thousands of treaties and agreements which obligated certain future behaviours on us - each of those involve a certain loss of sovereignty.

Our current choice is to arrange farm subsidies via the EU. We've now decided to do something else instead. The UK was and will remain sovereign throughout.

If you think the UK can make better decisions outside the EU fair enough but agreeing to match EU plans which subsidise farmers to 'flood British Towns and Villages' means the jury will be out on that theory for a while.

We'll still have legislation concerning the maximum power of a vacuum cleaner or what constitutes a class one banana - but 'we'll' decide instead of the EU. Taking Britain back - one square of non-milk fat chocolate at a time.

Not true because no parliament can bind its successor. However, because EU law takes precedent over UK law they can bind future parliaments as long as we're members.

Masomnia

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you name a single thing we do for our workers that is better than the EU norm?

Maternity rights.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Herzlos wrote: »

I've seen lots of foreign companies investing in here before the vote, and some buying stuff up whilst it's cheap, but none that are investing because they think Brexit is an improvement; lots of companies stating the opposite though.


I'm looking at the evidence critically, not mashing it into my worldview.



Our workers rights are very definitely not the best in the EU, and are about to get eroded further than we ever thought possible.

Can you name a single thing we do for our workers that is better than the EU norm?

Many more, but here's a small sample:

There are many areas of UK employment law that do not derive from Europe, and therefore would not be affected by a Brexit. These include unfair dismissal protection, the national minimum wage, and unlawful deductions of pay. Furthermore, laws promoting equal pay and banning race discrimination both pre-date the UK’s membership of the EU. In some cases, the UK has even enhanced the rights given to workers which goes beyond what was required by European directives. For example, the right to shared parental leave, and to request flexible working, are domestic in origin.

https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2016/may/24/what-would-leaving-eu-mean--employment-rights

Enough there to start you off?

Moby

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Nope, what really IS tragic is those pro-remain acolytes who refuse point-blank to see the EVIDENCE that remaining within the confines of the EU is something that the UK has paid dearly for over the last 40 years or more.
Some of us would rather fund Brexit than the EU.

These same pro-remainers continually ask for evidence of whatever tickles their (generally stilted) imagination at the time - only to ignore the evidence that has already (and mostly repeatedly) been posted.

THAT is tragic.

I note you have diverted from the point I was making about how our future Govmts will be subsidising industry for the foreseeable future. IMO the acolytes are the brexiteer idiots who are too stupid to rise above their own petty prejudices to take a wider view of the Euro project and voted on a clearly misunderstood idea of national sovereignty and/or immigration. I've met so many people who are now regretting their vote and there are 26 other countries whose govmts don't see things the same way as you and your ilk. I repeat....it's a huge tragedy of a decision for our future!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

I note you have diverted from the point I was making about how our future Govmts will be subsidising industry for the foreseeable future. IMO the acolytes are the brexiteer idiots who are too stupid to rise above their own petty prejudices to take a wider view of the Euro project and voted on a clearly misunderstood idea of national sovereignty and/or immigration. I've met so many people who are now regretting their vote and there are 26 other countries whose govmts don't see things the same way as you and your ilk. I repeat....it's a huge tragedy of a decision for our future!

Perhaps you would explain how it is possible to prove something that has not yet occurred?
This clearly demonstrates the illogical response of pro-remain advocates - prophesying based upon hearsay, which also amply demonstrates just who the "idiots" as you choose to term them really are.
*Hint*
By & large it is not the pro-Brexit majority.

BTW it is another 27 countries, not 26 AND I suggest you read more about discontent within the EU (if you do not have friends/family there as I do) before making such rash statements as " who don't see things the same way as you and your ilk".

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

I've seen lots of foreign companies investing in here before the vote, and some buying stuff up whilst it's cheap, but none that are investing because they think Brexit is an improvement; lots of companies stating the opposite though.
...

I work with some Indian companies, and I know they are looking at buying more IT functions in the UK now.

It was commonplace to just offshore IT work, but the balance has changed now. They price in dollars and that gets you more UK resource.

wotsthat

Masomnia wrote: »

Not true because no parliament can bind its successor. However, because EU law takes precedent over UK law they can bind future parliaments as long as we're members.

In exactly the same way as NATO membership binds future parliaments to follow the rules whilst we're still members? Have you ever complained once about the loss of sovereignty that NATO, WTO, UN infers? Of course not.

At any point over the last 40 years parliament could've voted to leave the EU and the government then invoked article 50.