If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't know, did they?

It seems unfair to say that my reasons to vote to leave the EU count for less because of some arbitrary interpretation.

I understand this isn't helpful to the conversation going on within these forums between remain and leave, but it is the reality.

An absolute ton of research was done into public attitudes following the vote and from many prior polls that showed immigration was consistently a top 3 concern.


The Govt believes it can deliver on this without harming trade, and I agree. The calculation is that no core European Govt is going to get away with imposing prices rises and unemployment by way of tariffs - there would be uproar on the streets of France et al

BobQ

setmefree2 wrote: »

The BBC Daily Politics have put together a video of every single major politician saying "a vote to Leave was a vote to Leave the single market.". Daniel Hannah was the exception.

Source please?

setmefree2

mayonnaise wrote: »

No, we must not.
But we can assume remain voters were ok with free movement.
Add to that the leave voters like Tricky who wanted out the political union but are ok with free movement, or leave voters like Clapton who voted leave simply out of deep felt concern for the average African farmer.
That's a majority for free movement then.

I voted Remain. How do you know I'm happy with Free Movement? I could have just voted Remain to keep Passporting.

setmefree2

BobQ wrote: »

Source please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEDnB0raTQQ

It's at 6:12

as some one else says

PROOF! Proof that it was made COMPLETELY CLEAR pre-Brexit referendum that leaving the EU indeed MEANT leaving the single market... and vice-versa! Nick Clegg destroyed yet again.

mayonnaise

setmefree2 wrote: »

I voted Remain. How do you know I'm happy with Free Movement? I could have just voted Remain to keep Passporting.

When you voted remain, you voted for continuation of free movement. Whether you're happy with it or not is a different matter.

setmefree2

mayonnaise wrote: »

When you voted remain, you voted for continuation of free movement. Whether you're happy with it or not is a different matter.

Well if you voted Leave you were clearly voting to Leave the single market - all the major politicians said so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEDnB0raTQQ

6.12

TrickyTree83

The problem appears to be the question on the ballot paper only asked if you wanted to remain in or leave the political institution that is the European Union.

The vote was to leave that.

So we'll leave that.

It doesn't mean that we will retain or lose single market access, it doesn't mean that we will retain or lose freedom of movement and it doesn't mean that we will join EEA/EFTA or create our own free trade deal or rely on WTO terms.

Which is the reason why this is being debated and some say no one knows. However the government have formulated what they want to ask for, and there will be give and take in negotiations. I'd fully expect there to be a middle ground reached by both sides in the negotiations which mean we still have single market access pretty much as we do now, they have access to us pretty much as they do now and that somewhere in the bargain will be some form of freedom of movement either capped or restricted in some way.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Maybe but since China is still devaluing the Yuan, their artificial trees aren't so cheap any more.
I was looking at a large display in a garden centre near me.
£100 PLUS for a fake tree! :eek:

A devalued Yuan makes their artificial trees cheaper.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So (like many, I suspect) I will stick to a real, freshly-UK-grown tree.
They smell better too.

If you're already buying British at the added value end of the market you won't see the inflation. It doesn't follow it's a money saving strategy to pay, say, £20 for a British tree because an imported one has gone from £13 to £15.

A suggestion was made here the other day about buying £18/ bottle English wine because an Asda 3 for £12 might go up to 3 for £15. Not going to happen.

I can see why your buying choice will be unchanged but what about someone who purchased an imported tree last year (that still smells nice)? Plastic tree/ not bother/ extra lights outside instead etc?

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The problem appears to be the question on the ballot paper only asked if you wanted to remain in or leave the political institution that is the European Union.

The vote was to leave that.

So we'll leave that.

It doesn't mean that we will retain or lose single market access, it doesn't mean that we will retain or lose freedom of movement and it doesn't mean that we will join EEA/EFTA or create our own free trade deal or rely on WTO terms.

Which is the reason why this is being debated and some say no one knows. However the government have formulated what they want to ask for, and there will be give and take in negotiations. I'd fully expect there to be a middle ground reached by both sides in the negotiations which mean we still have single market access pretty much as we do now, they have access to us pretty much as they do now and that somewhere in the bargain will be some form of freedom of movement either capped or restricted in some way.

3rd of October

Cutting immigration matters more to Brits than single market access, poll finds

A survey by Sky Data found more than half of those questioned wanted immigration controls to be the government’s number one priority – only 40 percent believed it should be the UK’s access to the single market.

After just over 100 days in power, 58 per cent approved of Theresa May’s handling of Britain’s exit from the European Union. Just 25 per cent disapproved.
Even Labour supporters who voted for the party in 2015 backed the Prime Minister’s approach to Brexit, with 46 per cent saying they supported it.

Source : All over the Web

You're just not in the majority.

dunstonh

If you stay in the EEA then you may as well stay in the EU. The EEA effectively means you cant control movement and are subject to all the rules with virtually no input on rule creation. So, absolutely no point leaving the EU.

It would almost certainly require you to stay in the customs union. So, no ability to arrange trade deals. And if you are not in the EU, you will not have any input into trade deals you would be party to. So, again, no point leaving the EU in that case.

The only way you leave the EU and regain the controls is to leave the customs union and that means no EEA, EUI or EFTA.

The !!!!! footing around soft/hard and hypothetical seems daft considering that the objectives laid out only fit a hard brexit. The most logical outcome would be a hard brexit with the a trade deal. This would likely see european courts being used in disputes for outward trade within the EU and UK courts for inward trade within the UK. Logic and the EU are not something that go hand in hand. What we end up with will probably be some fudge that fits no current model that allows the EU to make some claims it hurts to be on the outside whilst the UK gets some concessions (but not everything) so it can claim it got something. And that is why there is !!!!! footing around...