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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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But we will see. What is sad is that plenty of Brexit supporters seem to be quite rude toward people who voted remain. Does that not highlight a problem?
I've had years of arrogant, pious liberals telling us we are stupid, ignorant, xenophobic and lemming like. This is especially antagonistic given we are the ones on the side of facts and reason, potency and courage.0 -
You ignored the fact the entire establishment, Government, TV media, all three main parties, Govt organs and the rest threw massive uncalled for weapons grade terror and lies at us, almost no facts and no reason, so yes you're right we would demand another referendum had the corrupting establishment won out.0 -
I've had years of arrogant, pious liberals telling us we are stupid, ignorant, xenophobic and lemming like. This is especially antagonistic given we are the ones on the side of facts and reason, potency and courage.
Better let Theresa know then.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit?CMP=share_btn_twExclusive: leaked recording shows what Theresa May really thinks about Brexit
Secret audio of Goldman Sachs talk in May shows she feared businesses would leave and wanted the UK to take a lead in Europe
...Speaking at the bank in London on 26 May, the then home secretary appeared to go further than her public remarks to explain more clearly the economic benefits of staying in the EU. She told staff it was time the UK took a lead in Europe, and that she hoped voters would look to the future rather than the past.
In an hour-long session before the City bankers, she also worried about the effect of Brexit on the British economy.
“I think the economic arguments are clear,” she said. “I think being part of a 500-million trading bloc is significant for us. I think, as I was saying to you a little earlier, that one of the issues is that a lot of people will invest here in the UK because it is the UK in Europe.
...At Goldman Sachs, May also said she was convinced Britain’s security was best served by remaining in Europe because of tools such as the European arrest warrant and the information-sharing between the police and intelligence agencies. “There are definitely things we can do as members of the European Union that I think keep us more safe,” she said.
Not good.It all seems so stupid it makes me want to give up.
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid ?0 -
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A good trade deal is very easy to define.
It's a deal with zero tariffs and zero non-tariff barriers on all goods and services sold to and bought from our biggest trading partner Europe.
A deal where there is no customs obstacles and senseless bureaucratic red tape to the continued and highly complex supply chain interactions with our biggest trading partner.... Europe.
A deal where business in the UK can move their goods, services, capital and people freely around the EU without new red tape and obstacles and additional costs and complexity - no visa requirements, no customs paperwork, no tariffs, no barriers, no quotas.
What we have now in other words....
Anything short of that is a complete and utter failure.
And if Europe aren't bending over backwards to give 100% of the above to us then Conrad et al will look rather foolish given their panglossian predictions will be exposed as extraordinary naivety and outright lies.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »Whatever will be will be, but the overriding factor for me would be that it is outside the political union of the EU.
The political union that Cameron already got an exemption to for ever closer union.
The union where 90%+ of rules and regulations concern trade, and that we''d have to abide by regardless of staying or leaving to trade with them...
Just.... Oh never mind.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »You've been shamed so much on this forum and you continue to shame yourself further.
If an undecided voter reading this diatribe from you knew you were an ardent Corbyn supporter, do you think they would see you stand for tolerance or would they think you are a bigot?
Turn the mirror on yourself, do a search of your posts and have a look at the people you clearly hate.
- boomers, traditionally anyone over the age of 50, but for you it encompasses anyone who disagrees with your [STRIKE]socialist[/STRIKE] communist beliefs. (you do a dis-service to true socialism)
- people who voted to leave the EU, according to you they (we) all look like this:
- Conservative voters who organise charity events, I might be using a little creative licence here but it was almost a case of "you can shove your cake up your a***!". Despite them helping the elderly, needy, disabled by raising funds and actually assisting them directly.
I'm sure others can add to this list who have put up with your posts for longer than I.
You really are a hateful little [STRIKE]~$%![/STRIKE] so-and-so.
Oh what's this, is it a Brexiter justifying Brexit based on actual facts?
Oh no, it's an ad hominem diatribe of nonsense.
Just for a change.0 -
since we joined .. nobody listen to us ... it like eurovision contest. ... Great Britian ......neu points“Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself.”
― George Bernard Shaw0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The political union that Cameron already got an exemption to for ever closer union.
The union where 90%+ of rules and regulations concern trade, and that we''d have to abide by regardless of staying or leaving to trade with them...
Just.... Oh never mind.
if what you are saying is true then why is the EU so confrontational and angry about just one or two unimportant rules?0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »The political union that Cameron already got an exemption to for ever closer union.
The union where 90%+ of rules and regulations concern trade, and that we''d have to abide by regardless of staying or leaving to trade with them...
Just.... Oh never mind.
£28 million in club fees a day saved, and we will trade with Europe, and like Japan and the rest we will abide by trading regs.
Independence frees our spirit to better ourslves.0
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