If we vote for Brexit what happens

StevieJ

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, but Elton John came out for Remain.

Not to mention Geldorf, but those were just Left wing luvvies

cogito

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'm glad someone is talking about this.

My EU national friends (Latvia, Bulgaria, Lithuania) have been telling me the same thing for years with regards to their home country - hence moving to the UK. The EU and the Euro have hollowed out vast swathes of industry they used to have.

University qualified accountants from Latvia now working as call centre operatives in the UK because the wages are better. That is a global corporatism scandal and more needs to be said about it.

We can all listen to the media and politicians about how good everything is, but it never beats information from the horses mouth.

There was a little publicised election in Lithuania last weekend in which one of the main issues was the declining population. It has fallen by 20% as young Lithuanians have emigrated to other EU countries to find better paid work. The tax base is much reduced as a consequence creating social difficulties. This is the scandal of free movement that is ignored by the high priests of the EU.

StevieJ

I agree, I think they call it 'Soft Brexit'

Conrad

Ah I get it, no matter what landscape ends up being in place, Remainers will somehow claim it was 'only a soft brexit'.


All their doom n gloom fairy stories will be out of mind I would guess

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm all for change, where it makes sense. I don't believe Brexit makes sense.

You see none of the upside opportunity of Brexit, so of course your instinct is to cling to the old idea.


Every pessimist in history said the same, they always do, change is always resisted.

wymondham

Don't worry Conrad, we're surrounded by people who don't like change and don't think we can do it. I wonder how many will fight to keep their rights and move to the continent?

This time in a few years we'll be wondering what all the fuss was about and why we didn't do it sooner.... its all a bit like going self employed after a lifetime of clocking in - scary, but liberating!

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

FACT;
It is obvious EU - UK trade will not be deliberately hampered by the EU, thus it goes without saying that a perfectly good trading relationship will be settled upon.


So the question is, what will ardent Remainers say on the day this all becomes a reality? What coping mechanisms will they deploy?

Lets see what they say on that fateful day.

I'm pretty optimistic a trade deal will be reached.

The 'coping mechanism' I'll employ will be to remind you (again) that we already had a perfectly good trading mechanism with the EU and, whatever the deal, there will be additional barriers to trade.

What you're doing is pretty obvious. You're trying to change your position and any deal will be proclaimed as victory rather than the sweet deal that was certain just a few months ago.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

You see none of the upside opportunity of Brexit, so of course your instinct is to cling to the old idea.

You've been saying the new era of prosperity and third industrial age has been underway for at least six years without a squeak about Europe.

The forums are literally littered with stuff like this (2011)

The greatest prosperity era in our history is now underway.

After all the psychology books you quote about how those forcefully making outlier predictions are the most likely to be wrong don't you see the irony?

We'll be fine once some of the uncertainty has been removed but there's no point being silly about it. You've always made these predictions and always will.

Fuzzyness

i suppose it depends on how long we have to wait for this fantastic trade deal to arrive.

David_Aston

I'm not sure that we of the 48% should be referred to as a cult. Very large minority, perhaps.
I don't know if many, or any of us have changed our minds about Brexit. I'm pretty certain that many brexiters voted as a two fingers up to the Establishment protest. Perhaps these voters comprised a large proportion of the four million who signed the petition for another referendum?
It's true, we don't know how it is going to pan out, it is so early, there is no reason for either side to have changed their minds about how they voted. That is, those who gave it some serious thought beforehand of course.
Is there much point in starting threads or adding to existing ones, each time some crumb appears to have been dropped off the World Affairs table, indicating justification for one side or the other?
Can't we just put everything on hold, and agree that in say, ten years time, we all come back on here, and either we, or you then apologise for our voting actions in June of this year!