If we vote for Brexit what happens

wotsthat

Generali wrote: »

Do people seriously bring up WW2 still? It ended 70 years ago. Do they still talk about the Stanley Matthews Cup Final and how heavyweight boxing isn't the same since they introduced the round limit?

No everyone's over the war now and it hardly features in conversation. My kids, Adolf and Eva, think so too.

vivatifosi

Generali wrote: »

I can't imagine that there are too many left alive that remember Dads Army first time around let alone the Second World War!

Do people seriously bring up WW2 still? It ended 70 years ago. Do they still talk about the Stanley Matthews Cup Final and how heavyweight boxing isn't the same since they introduced the round limit?

In all seriousness, some do. My mum was a kid in WW2. She was trapped in the rubble when her house was bombed so not the greatest fan of the Nazi war machine. If part of your memories involve PTSD and anxiousness relating to the war, loss of relatives, etc, I can understand how some people, particularly older generations with first hand memories and experiences would think like that.

Having said that, in my mum's case, she still sees the bigger picture. Her views are still informed by the pain of the war though.

All sorts of factors will come into play when people decide to vote. Some will look purely at economic factors, some will vote according to what they see as Britain's place in the world, some will vote on what could happen to the company they work for, some will vote in because they want to retire in Spain. That's part of what makes this unpredictable.

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

In all seriousness, some do. My mum was a kid in WW2. She was trapped in the rubble when her house was bombed so not the greatest fan of the Nazi war machine. If part of your memories involve PTSD and anxiousness relating to the war, loss of relatives, etc, I can understand how some people, particularly older generations with first hand memories and experiences would think like that.

Having said that, in my mum's case, she still sees the bigger picture. Her views are still informed by the pain of the war though.

All sorts of factors will come into play when people decide to vote. Some will look purely at economic factors, some will vote according to what they see as Britain's place in the world, some will vote on what could happen to the company they work for, some will vote in because they want to retire in Spain. That's part of what makes this unpredictable.

Given the spelling and punctuation, I suspect that the poster talking about The War doesn't remember the war.

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

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All sorts of factors will come into play when people decide to vote. Some will look purely at economic factors, some will vote according to what they see as Britain's place in the world, some will vote on what could happen to the company they work for, some will vote in because they want to retire in Spain. That's part of what makes this unpredictable.

Michael Portillo made a similar point last night.

It's difficult for the political establishment to judge the mood outside the capital.

I think they were genuinely surprised during the GE by the rise of UKIP votes in places like the North East (as was I).

vivatifosi

Generali wrote: »

Given the spelling and punctuation, I suspect that the poster talking about The War doesn't remember the war.

Quite possibly. I was thinking more of Sapphire. I am on the opposite side of the fence to Sapphire on the in/out debate, but think she (I think you're a she Sapphire, apologies if that's wrong) has painful memories that are informing her part in the debate. She has spoken very clearly and powerfully on those fears. I respect that.

Of course you get the numpties too...

danothy

danothy wrote: »

Genuinely saw a campaign on the street a few years ago in which some fruitcakes had set up a stand to campaign against excessive and unnecessary labelling of food. It was somehow offensive to them that basic information about the product was required to be included with the product and they wanted a stop put to all that nonsense. It had a very prominent "they're making us do this" tone to it too. I couldn't comprehend how labelling was in itself a Bad Thing™, but it did seem clear that, assuming it was a Bad Thing™, the way to stop it was to free ourselves from "them".

In other news about what some random racist is upset about: toasters.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/this-ukip-mep-wants-to-leave-the-eu-because-his-toaster-is-c#.cw027GaZR

Don’t you know about these EU toasters? They’ve turned them all down and that’s why you can’t get decent toast,” claimed the MEP [David Coburn].

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

we only need foreign brickies because there are 9 million foreigners living in houses and another 600,000 arriving each year
best solve the problem at source.

Tbh I'm baffled as to how east Euopeans can afford to live in Britain particularly London?

michaels

Generali wrote: »

I can't imagine that there are too many left alive that remember Dads Army first time around let alone the Second World War!

Do people seriously bring up WW2 still? It ended 70 years ago. Do they still talk about the Stanley Matthews Cup Final and how heavyweight boxing isn't the same since they introduced the round limit?

In my experience it is the in supporters who talk about the eu being the reason there hasn't been a european war for 70 years (obviously with a slightly selective recall)

kabayiri wrote: »

Michael Portillo made a similar point last night.

It's difficult for the political establishment to judge the mood outside the capital.

I think they were genuinely surprised during the GE by the rise of UKIP votes in places like the North East (as was I).

Does anyone have any feel for how polling accuracy will play out, as we saw in the ge it is not just of academic interest as in that case the polls drove campaign behaviour. Are there 'shy leavers'? will leavers have a higher prospensity to vote?

In the electoral reform referendum the establishment, confident of victory, basically ignored the whole thing - will we see a similar tactic this time with the referendum mostly kept out of the headlines where possible?

setmefree2 wrote: »

Yesterday's stats seem to show non EU immigration was almost the same as EU immigration.

I thought the figures suggested a fall in non eu immigration (the sort where we can choose to let in more nurses and doctors) and an increase in eu immigration where obviously we accept whoever turns up.

Because immigration is so politicised and we have no control over numbers from the eu we end up with the current silly policies discouraging foreign students and nurses in order to try and cap overall numbers.

kabayiri

I suspect a Brexit will provide an opportunity for me and others in my industry to bring in more skilled workers from outside of the EU.

I admit it's a purely selfish angle. The opposite exists. Karren Brady is worried about the negative impact a Brexit will have on attracting top footballers here!

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

Tbh I'm baffled as to how east Euopeans can afford to live in Britain particularly London?

I'm confused: in what what way do migrants differ from the native born?