If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Has anyone asked David Cameron whether, in the event of an exit vote we would have a second referendum?

If this is his plan ( I think that he has denied there would be a second referendum - but possibly in relation of BoJos call to vote no to get a second vote) the context of that vote might be rather odd. The vote might be ostensibly about accepting or rejecting the terms but would be influenced by the impact of two years of uncertainty, perhaps worse economic circumstances for example and threats to relocate major firms to the EU.

Equally what would be do if the vote was for exit but the terms of exit were rejected?

if there was exit majority, then I would happily offer substantial odds on a second referendum although there would be few takers against

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would say that less than 1 in 100 customers entering a supermarket know what class 1 or class 2 mean.
I would guess that even less know how much it costs to build maintain these standards either;
and similarly doubt that many care either.

And?

I doubt that many people know about or care about the vast array of British and International Standards that exist that cover all manner of things from the avoidance and mitigation of threats to food and food supply, to buisness continuty, medical devices, or whatever.

That's no argument for not having them.

antrobus

BobQ wrote: »

Has anyone asked David Cameron whether, in the event of an exit vote we would have a second referendum? ...

Cameron has apparently rejected the idea out of hand. Without being asked.

I have known a number of couples who have begun divorce proceedings. But I do not know any who have begun divorce proceedings in order to renew their marriage vows.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/22/david-cameron-ridicules-boris-johnsons-second-referendum-idea

It is for "the birds".

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

And?

I doubt that many people know about or care about the vast array of British and International Standards that exist that cover all manner of things from the avoidance and mitigation of threats to food and food supply, to buisness continuty, medical devices, or whatever.

That's no argument for not having them.

indeed so, there are many many standards that are necessary and invaluable: cosmetic ones are low down my pecking order unless of course, cosmetics are matters of essence
I see no benefit having a standard about the curvature of a banana.

antrobus

Nick_C wrote: »

...For the record, Commission Regulation (EC) No 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 says that bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature"....

For the record Regulation (EC) No 2257/94 was replaced by Regulation (EU) No 1333/2011 many years ago.

EU relents and lets a banana be a banana
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/world/europe/12iht-food.4.17771299.html

Bent banana and curved cucumber rules dropped
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2453204/Bent-banana-and-curved-cucumber-rules-dropped-by-EU.html

BobQ

Nick_C wrote: »

I think we're discussing it because a couple of posts referred to EU rules on bananas and you tried to claim that is a myth that these rules prevent some bananas from being sold.

Has this really been ruled on by the ECJ? Do you have a link to this story, cause I couldn't find it.

For the record, Commission Regulation (EC) No 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 says that bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature".

So producers will be throwing away bananas with "abnormal curvature" (which is not actually defined). Far too much perfectly good food is thrown away simply because it's not the "correct" shape or size. Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall has been trying to highlight this issue.

That is my understanding too. It is so typical of the sensationalist media to make up stories like this and embellish them. Add the ignorance of the more intellectually challenged members of the public, or the deliberately misleading comments of the anti-EU brigade you have the myth that is the bent banana regulation.

What exactly is wrong with stating that the bananas most of us buy should be follow quality standards such as:

In all classes, subject to the special provisions for each class and the tolerances allowed, the bananas must be:

- green and unripened,

- intact,

- firm,

- sound; produce affected by rotting or deterioration such as to make it unfit for consumption is excluded,

- clean, practically free from visible foreign matter,

- practically free from pests,

- practically free from damage caused by pests,

- with the stalk intact, without bending, fungal damage or dessication,

- with pistils removed,

- free from malformation or abnormal curvature of the fingers,

- practically free from bruises,

- practically free from damage due to low temperatures,

- free from abnormal external moisture,

- free from any foreign smell and/or taste.

I think that anyone who believes this is unnecessary has never seen the variations in the quality of bananas when they are harvested. This standard applies to bananas imported into the EU. The alternative is lots of waste when they are imported.


http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31994R2257:EN:HTML

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

...I see no benefit having a standard about the curvature of a banana.

France, Italy, Spain and Greece would disagree. They were apparently in favour of having rules about the curvature of a banana. That's the problem with standards. Everybody has to agree to them Compromise is inevitable.




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Nick_C

Nick_C wrote: »

For the record, Commission Regulation (EC) No 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 says that bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature".

antrobus wrote: »

For the record Regulation (EC) No 2257/94 was replaced by Regulation (EU) No 1333/2011 many years ago.

EU relents and lets a banana be a banana
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/world/europe/12iht-food.4.17771299.html

Bent banana and curved cucumber rules dropped
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/2453204/Bent-banana-and-curved-cucumber-rules-dropped-by-EU.html

Thanks for that.

For the record, Commision Implementing Regulation (EU) No 1333/2011 of 19 December 2011 states that the bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature"

:rotfl:

Source; http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2011:336:0023:0034:EN:PDF

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

France, Italy, Spain and Greece would disagree. They were apparently in favour of having rules about the curvature of a banana. That's the problem with standards. Everybody has to agree to them Compromise is inevitable.




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did the people vote on it or was it a government bureaucrat that decided?

anyway, why does the UK need to agree with france, italy spain and greece?

prosaver

kbrumann wrote: »

Wanting to remain in the EU after a second referendum is an in-congruent argument for a Brexit campaigner, but it is, IMHO also impossible: iitm.be/changevsbrexit . On top, it exposes Brexiters like Boris Johnson et al as ruthless, disingenuous and dangerous.

you dont beleive that All we have to do is wave good bye they wont be in charge of us anymore, I think we thought a war to prove that.
DO you think greece was going to do all that formal stuff ,,er no ..
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we can go anytime we choose.. they're not in charge of us..
They have got no power, really, when everyone broke the dublin agreement the EU did nothing. Same with France not processing the refugees in the jungle camps.Have they got fines or anything?
Whats going on?