If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

If they have any left, after selling at a loss and having to return to the UK. Plus pensioners tend to cost the NHS disproportionately more, due to age related conditions.

you misunderstand the meaning of pensions.

you misunderstand what selling at a loss means

and you care not about the burden being placed on the Spanish people who are much less able to manage that burden than us.

StevieJ

kabayiri wrote: »

I don't believe the Freedom of Movement principle restricts on age does it?

You can't discriminate between returning UK pensioners, or elderly people from other European countries as it stands.

The burden to the NHS is the same.

I hear what you are trying to say but I am not sure that it is relevant to my point about British pensioners returning home, because their pension income has been trashed (by a fall in Sterling and probable removal of the tripple lock guarantee in the future).

More than 1.2 million Brits living abroad receive a U.K. state pension. Those living in the EU have their state pension uprated by the “triple lock,” meaning it is guaranteed to rise in line with whichever is the highest of earnings, inflation or 2.5 percent, while in many countries outside of the EU, the basic state pension is frozen.
Many expats are now concerned about the future of the U.K. pension. Once the country leaves the EU, it may have to negotiate pension arrangements with individual EU countries, and if an agreement can’t be reached to maintain the status quo, people retiring to those countries could see their state pension payments frozen, the report states.

http://www.politico.eu/article/falling-pound-hits-british-pensioners-abroad-brexit/

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

pensioners will bring their pensions with them

and although you are not a socialist and have no moral compass, but surely you can see how the Spanish people will benefit without this UK burden.

Clapton, you are such a caring person

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

I hear what you are trying to say but I am not sure that it is relevant to my point about British pensioners returning home, because their pension income has been trashed (by a fall in Sterling and probable removal of the tripple lock guarantee in the future).

The EU as a whole is bordering on deflation. Why should pensions be uprated for those overseas. After all none of the money recirculates through the UK economy. Issues have to be considered for their wider impacts.

cogito

always_sunny wrote: »

But the EU is a bloc.

It's a bloc of 27 different countries all of which have their own agenda. Getting them to agree on anything is like herding cats.

What will determine the outcome of any trade negotiations are the interests of those countries that stand to lose the most - the ones listde in Thrugelmir's post.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

But the EU is a bloc.

Is that why Germany and France dominate policy decisions?

The EU is far from it's goal of financial integration. When push comes to shove. Countries will protect their own industries first. Rather than the policy aims of the unelected few. Merkel has an election on the horizon. Sacrificing German jobs won't be on the manifesto that's a certainty.

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

I hear what you are trying to say but I am not sure that it is relevant to my point about British pensioners returning home, because their pension income has been trashed (by a fall in Sterling and probable removal of the tripple lock guarantee in the future).

http://www.politico.eu/article/falling-pound-hits-british-pensioners-abroad-brexit/

if the triple lock is removed that will affect their pensions whether they live in Spain or the UK

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

Clapton, you are such a caring person

yes, my concept of right or wrong, racist or non racist, doesn't simply depend upon whether or not is it 'pro' or 'anti' EU ; rather it depends upon the facts of the matter.

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU as a whole is bordering on deflation. Why should pensions be uprated for those overseas. After all none of the money recirculates through the UK economy. Issues have to be considered for their wider impacts.

Nothing to do with 'why should they be' but all to do with British pensioners returning home if they are, eventually putting extra strain on NHS and caring sector.

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

if the triple lock is removed that will affect their pensions whether they live in Spain or the UK

I am talking about any annual uprating of pensions, the triple lock merely being the current manifestation.