If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

Are you actually suggesting the buyers at the large Supermarkets and retailers have placed orders for British made/grown products that they had ignored in the past. I don't think so.

Sometimes I do wonder if people literally spend their lives under the ocean - are you telling me you are unaware of the campaigns and programmes by the likes of Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall and Jamie Oliver that reveal growers leaving masses of perfectly good plums, apples, pears etc on the trees to rot? Or Supermarkets rejecting wonky parsnips and so on in vast numbers, again thrown away?


Maybe it's just me, but I constantly surf the TV and LBC radio and pick up these things.


Given it's now something like 15% more expensive to import such things, why not use British, and you can be sure firms will be - Supermarket wars will ensure this

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

A powerful argument for the benefits (to both parties) of free trade.
Why therefore do you support the protectionist EU that doesn't want free trade with (say) Black African countries even though your argument show its in the interests of both the people of the EU and the people of Black Africa?
Again why would the EU elite damage the people of the EU by stopping this trade that benefits their own people because the UK wants to decide how much tax their should be on British female sanitory products?

The EU is imperfect but I think leaving the EU will lead to less rather than more free trade.

You need to stop with the Black African, White Christian stuff and obsession with female sanitary products. I know you think you're making incisive hard hitting points but you just appear strange.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

So we can live on British fruit then.....that's a consolation.....looks like we may have too soon!:rotfl: Seriously Conrad So we don't import food, power, energy then? We do actually, in case you hadn't noticed we import quite a lot....we are a small island! and guess what's going to happen to the prices of these things! Much of our manufacturing machinery is imported from the US and guess what that's going to go up in cost as well............. and you think remainers are clueless!

Daft reply, of course we cannot replace EVERYTHING we import, but none the less a more competitive pound is what manufacturers and supplies have been waiting for - and what we as a nation have been banging on about forever in view of our UNSUSTAINABLE trade deficit.


Are you unaware of the urgent need to rebalance the economy away from imports and debt? Did you think we could just go on forever living on the never, never, living on the kindness of strangers borrowing their money to pay for their goods?


You realise a falling pound also wipes out masses of national debt right?


Stop being cowed by fear of change, it really will be ok and one day you will wonder what on earth you we worried about


Reality isn't something fixed, it changes and those with a positive nature aren't put-off by challenges.


Just looking at the Independent - all the little terrified people want throw their hands up and run away from challenge and change, it really is quite unbeomming

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

The EU is imperfect but I think leaving the EU will lead to less rather than more free trade.

on what basis do you believe there will be less free trade : is that because you believe that the EU elite will inflict harm on the people of the EU simply for political ends?

You need to stop with the Black African, White Christian stuff and obsession with female sanitary products. I know you think you're making incisive hard hitting points but you just appear strange.

If the EU racism embarrasses you there is a ready solution.
Many would not consider tax law as 'strange'.

Conrad

discat11 wrote: »

But surely we would still need to sign an agreement with the EU (and not the individual member) for trade?
Is it that simple or is it a case of certain trade deals can be done directly and others have to be countersigned by the EU also?

The whole world sells to Europeans, everywhere from Mongolia to Chile, it really isn't difficult.


An American video doorbell company has started advertising on LBC and people are buying the kit - the US has NO trade deal with the EU.


It's all just hysterics. We will carry on selling to them, and they us. A Teen in Bordeaux wont suddenly stop downloading British Grime MP3's and neither the EU or UK want to hamper solid trade that employs real people

Conrad

Remoaners, not long back the terrified warned us we had a deflation issue.


Now they say we will have inflation as if its something that would never have occurred when we were in the EU, lol.


Just bizzare.


Ok so we are going to take a very small inflation hit as the country adapts to a new pound - no worse than past inflationary jumps weve all lived through (recall all the headless chickens when energy and oil were high)


Buisness and people soon adapt. Many of us are osese - the headless chickens wail about this - so if IMPORTED food prices rise, eat a bit less and buy more British


All these ravings that life will end are so much nonsense

StevieJ

mayonnaise wrote: »

About time. Should have been guaranteed the day after the referendum.

I doubt it.

Along with the pensioners hightailing it back from the Costas because they can't afford to live there any more on their Sterling pensions. This country is going to be busier than if we had kept our borders open (NHS queues should be fun). The point some were trying to make before the referendum was that most of the immigration has already happened (oh apart from the 74 million Turks who might now be heading here if Boris gets his way) :eek:

Rinoa

wotsthat wrote: »

The fact that some items manufactured in the EU can be made here is neither here nor there and misses the point somewhat. If it was advantageous for a British business to buy a widget from Hull rather than Madrid they'd probably already be doing so.

It's not advantageous now with free trade.

But if the EU make trade more expensive and difficult to transact we'll make more stuff ourselves and buy less from the EU.

With current trade massively in the EU's favour, what we lose in exports will be more than compensated by increased UK production of stuff we currently import.

StevieJ

Looks like NHS won't be getting their 19 billion after all

A "hard Brexit" would see the Treasury lose up to £66bn in tax revenues a year, leaked government papers have suggested.
http://news.sky.com/story/hard-brexit-may-cost-16366bn-a-year-leaked-papers-warn-10613112

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

Along with the pensioners hightailing it back from the Costas because they can't afford to live there any more on their Sterling pensions. This country is going to be busier than if we had kept our borders open (NHS queues should be fun).

why is this a problem : do you dislike people born in the UK ?

The point some were trying to make before the referendum was that most of the immigration has already happened (oh apart from the 74 million Turks who might now be heading here if Boris gets his way) :eek:

if most people who want to migrate here are already here, why would you fail to support immigration limits that YOU believe will have no effect.


The horror of the Turks shows the deep racism of many remainers who considered that mentioning Turks was 'share' mongering.