If we vote for Brexit what happens

ruggedtoast

I'm in America.

Everything is 25℅ more expensive than it was when I was here last month and they think we're all a bunch of inward looking peasants.

Thanks Brexitards.

Great job.

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I'm in America.

they think we're all a bunch of inward looking peasants.

How many people have been shot by their police today?


How well did they fund Olympic athletes with disability?


Do their large cars and SUV's make lower emissions than ours?


Are your mates there fighting to be controlled from Caracas?


What wizardry did they employ to get their wares into my home, without SM membership? Magic!


They are our biggest investment partners, with 1 million of their folk employed in this alone, how is this possible without a trade deal.....arhhhh

ess0two

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I'm in America.

Everything is 25℅ more expensive than it was when I was here last month and they think we're all a bunch of inward looking peasants.

Thanks Brexitards.

Great job.

Comical coming from people who are considering Trump for president.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Nope, that's not what we said. We said trade with Europe will not be affected, it really wont, that we can expect a trade deal given the dozens in existence with much less important markets and because Europe needs many things from us such as the same on-going military commitment and fishing water access, but that even under WTO rules, all will be well - for obvious reasons.

I'm afraid this sounds plain delusional.

It's not a rational position to suggest trade will not be affected by leaving the EU. It's a certainty that even with the sweetest of deals some non-trade barriers will appear.

WTO rules take this a step further. They're a much bigger barrier to trade and will be a shock to the system for anyone currently trading with the EU. Trade will be affected to a large degree.

The other thing to remember is that WTO rules will only be used because there's been no agreement in any negotiations. Not the best conditions for trade. In that environment we'll all have to learn how to trade services using WTO rules. Not great.

I'm fed up of hearing about how much Europe needs us. If negotiations go pear shaped and we end up with WTO trading rules it will be as bad for them as well as us. That EU citizens as well as British are damaged by Brexit isn't a consolation to me.

Conrad wrote: »

In addition we then get to trade with the world not bound by EU constraints, and that many benefits will accrue that are not even trade deal related.

You're in danger of counting your chickens ahead of time.

mrginge

padington wrote: »

The opinion that leaving the European Union is a wise decision is contrary to the vast majority of our MP's, Lords and the most educated British citizens and captains of industry.

Just so you know.

Oh well never mind.

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

We hold plenty of aces such as the fact Spain and Portugal reply heavily on fishing our rich waters.

These default to Holyrood ( since fishing and agriculture are devolved already )..after a Brexit, not Westminster. Westminster will have to take powers away from the Scottish Govt in order to er, undevolve them. Sure to go down well.

Firstly, and very few people have realised this yet, it constitutes an powerful form of renewed devolution for Scotland and Wales. There are areas of devolved competence - agriculture for example - which are mostly governed by EU law. Sure, the devolved assemblies technically have power here, but in actual fact they, like Westminster, must do what Brussels tells them. Unless there is something in that repeal bill which says those powers are returning from the devolved assemblies to Westminster, it adds up to a very substantial act of renewed devolution. Watch Sturgeon in particular very carefully. Despite the Brexit bluster, she actually has a lot to gain out of what’s happening.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/02/don-t-be-fooled-may-s-big-eu-announcement-is-just-admin

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

It's a certainty that even with the sweetest of deals some non-trade barriers will appear.

WTO rules take this a step further.


They're a much bigger barrier to trade and will be a shock to the system for anyone currently trading with the EU. Trade will be affected to a large degree.

The other thing to remember is that WTO rules will only be used because there's been no agreement in any negotiations. Not the best conditions for trade.

I'm fed up of hearing about how much Europe needs us. If negotiations go pear shaped and we end up with WTO trading rules it will be as bad for them as well as us. That EU citizens as well as British are damaged by Brexit isn't a consolation to me.

Yes some additional barriers, but none the less lots of companies form around the world deal with these perfectly ok, and our exports are already 13% cheaper thanks to currency fall.


WTO rules would add tax across the board, so affect core EU nations as much as us, so will nullify one another.


Honestly all I'm hearing from Remainers is this fear of change.


How was life for you just a few years ago before freedom of movement? Was it awful?


How is it that your home full of non EU underpants, tyres, appliances etc, without this magical SM arrangement?


How will you benefit if the UK can make the most of its deep global links and soft power? You seem immune to the huge benefits before us, why is this? You seem to 'bank' existing realities but dismiss new realities.

cogito

What additional barriers would apply under WTO rules?

Can we not just say to the EU that we don't wish to be part of the single market if that involves free movement but we will not apply any tariffs to EU imports unless you tax our exports to you in which case we will reciprocate? Who comes off worse in that scenario?

If there is a downside, could someone please explain what it is.

ruggedtoast

Conrad wrote: »

How many people have been shot by their police today?


How well did they fund Olympic athletes with disability?


Do their large cars and SUV's make lower emissions than ours?


Are your mates there fighting to be controlled from Caracas?


What wizardry did they employ to get their wares into my home, without SM membership? Magic!


They are our biggest investment partners, with 1 million of their folk employed in this alone, how is this possible without a trade deal.....arhhhh

Yeah well it's just cost you 25℅ more to invest over there than it did last month.

Well done.

ruggedtoast

ess0two wrote: »

Comical coming from people who are considering Trump for president.

Nigel Farage doesn't seem to mind him. And at least they aren't physically attacking one another in Congress.