If we vote for Brexit what happens

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

....ps the Queen is descended from Scots. The English/Tudor line ended with Elizabeth I. Hello Stuarts ! Carry on though..

The Stuarts were descended from Bretons. Their line ended with James II. Hello Hanoverians! Germans through and through.

P.S. If the Scots want a Stuart back again, there is one available. Although he is the Duke of Bavaria, and thus is a bit German as well by now.:)

gfplux

This referendum might be different surely as a "stay in" might be a vote for no change. However this (vote for no change) is a vote for a continuing dissatisfaction with the way the EU is run. (Correct me if I am wrong, Even those who support the EU don't really like the way it is run)
AND
A continuing decline in the value of the pound against the EURO and the US DOLLAR.

The following are very rough numbers rounded DOWN.
Pound against Euro. 1 month down 5%. 3 months down 9%. 1 year down 10%. 10 years down 14%.
Pound against Dollar. 1 month down 4%. 3 months down 7%. 1 year down 10%. 10 years down 32%.
I don't think anyone wants this decline to continue. I look forward to the Out camps promises to reverse this trend.
This devaluation of the pound is either due to our membership of the EU or it has something to do with the outside world not wanting our pounds because GB Ltd is not a good bet.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

ps the Queen is descended from Scots.

Humans no doubt took a few thousand years to work their way up from Europe to Scotland.

Your ancestors are therefore almost certainly English.

Hope that helps.

angrypirate

gfplux wrote: »

This referendum might be different surely as a "stay in" might be a vote for no change. However this (vote for no change) is a vote for a continuing dissatisfaction with the way the EU is run. (Correct me if I am wrong, Even those who support the EU don't really like the way it is run)
AND
A continuing decline in the value of the pound against the EURO and the US DOLLAR.

The following are very rough numbers rounded DOWN.
Pound against Euro. 1 month down 5%. 3 months down 9%. 1 year down 10%. 10 years down 14%.
Pound against Dollar. 1 month down 4%. 3 months down 7%. 1 year down 10%. 10 years down 32%.
I don't think anyone wants this decline to continue. I look forward to the Out camps promises to reverse this trend.
This devaluation of the pound is either due to our membership of the EU or it has something to do with the outside world not wanting our pounds because GB Ltd is not a good bet.

There isnt a "no change" option on the ballot box and I think that is becoming more evident amongst the general public by the day. If you look at every newspaper today - Juncker is now saying that the UK has to take more asylum seekers or they will tear up the Dublin agreement. The EU plays by their own rules and they are rules they can tear up and change at any one time.

Your pound against euro figures look wrong. 1 year change is down about 2%, 3 month is down about 5%. You conveniently miss out the 5 year change where we are UP 12%.
Source http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=gbpeur=X&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=#{"range":"5y","allowChartStacking":true}

Markets go up, markets go down. Go back to 08, pound was almost parity to euro. 2007 and pound was 2:1 against the dollar.
One of the big reasons for the downward pressures on sterling is that the markets had factored in an interest rate rise later this year. Mark Carney disclosed that the soonest now we might expect one is 2017.

Sapphire

angrypirate wrote: »

There isnt a "no change" option on the ballot box and I think that is becoming more evident amongst the general public by the day. If you look at every newspaper today - Juncker is now saying that the UK has to take more asylum seekers or they will tear up the Dublin agreement. The EU plays by their own rules and they are rules they can tear up and change at any one time.

More precisely, Germany plays by its own rules – it in fact appears to be making up rules and trying to force them onto the rest of Europe. This is definitely not what I thought the EU was about, i.e. mainly economic matters.

It is also totally inept, having failed to stop the migrant crisis and secure Europe's external borders, which is endangering the whole of Europe, and not just Germany.

mwpt

Sapphire wrote: »

More precisely, Germany plays by its own rules – it in fact appears to be making up rules and trying to force them onto the rest of Europe. This is definitely not what I thought the EU was about, i.e. mainly economic matters.

It is also totally inept, having failed to stop the migrant crisis and secure Europe's external borders, which is endangering the whole of Europe, and not just Germany.

Germany assisted people who were seeking asylum. This has generally always been the case of relatively wealthy countries.

On top of that, I think you're scare mongering here. To affect you personally, how many asylum seekers have made it to Britain because of the actions of Germany?

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Germany assisted people who were seeking asylum. This has generally always been the case of relatively wealthy countries.

On top of that, I think you're scare mongering here. To affect you personally, how many asylum seekers have made it to Britain because of the actions of Germany?

why is it reasonable for a single immigrant come here because of Germany?
anyway we don't know what will happen once the warmer weather comes

Sapphire

mwpt wrote: »

Germany assisted people who were seeking asylum.

how many asylum seekers have made it to Britain because of the actions of Germany?

This is minimising the issue. The people 'seeking asylum' come from very many countries, including those in which they are in no danger, such as Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan, India and various parts of Africa, and they should have been sent straight back. You also omitted to mention that the majority of these migrants (around 70 per cent) are strong and fit young males, who should be helping to build their countries, not coming to Europe expecting benefits. Have you heard nothing of the way they have been behaving, e.g. demanding houses and free education, throwing away food given to them, assaulting women (given they come from a culture that is inimical to European culture, they have an appalling attitude towards women). What right do they have to invade Europe just because they want what we have (without having to work for it?).

There is a real danger that Europe will be overrun by people from the Middle East and Africa, with all the attendant problems this will cause, such as violence and the destruction of economies. (You may also have decided to forget that ISIS promised to swamp Europe with Muslims, including violent people who would perpetrate their horrors and try to impose their ideology in Europe). Sadly, there are people here who (having never been overrun and not knowing the implications), don't realise this and may live to bitterly regret it. I'm still hoping that Europe will manage to close its external borders, because it sure needs to.

And if we remained in the EU, even if we didn't initially accept any of these people, they could travel anywhere they wanted, including Britain, once Germany gave them passports.

With regard to the second part of your post, I would imagine that quite a few migrants have entered Britain illegally from France (though this is not being advertised). This would certainly be as the result of actions by Germany, in not stopping the invasion and preventing the migrants from wandering freely all over Europe, with no clue as to who they are (some have certainly proved to be dangerous people at the very least).

You may not be worried about all this, but a lot of people are – and not only in Britain.

antrobus

Rinoa wrote: »

Humans no doubt took a few thousand years to work their way up from Europe to Scotland.

Your ancestors are therefore almost certainly English.

Hope that helps.

Doubtful.

There must (of course) be quite a significant number of Scots who are simply Sassenachs who have gone native, but there were Scots in Scotland, at least in the Ghàidhealtachd bit, for probably, oh a thousand years or so before there were any English anywhere near this island we call Britain.

Besides, if you believe Oppenheimer we are all descended from the original stone age occupants of this island, and that the only real difference between the Scots and the English would be the time at which they started speaking English.

thequant

Sapphire wrote: »

It is also totally inept, having failed to stop the migrant crisis and secure Europe's external borders, which is endangering the whole of Europe, and not just Germany.

Also it is endangering the migrants themselves. Encouraging people to leave the safety of turkey and risk crossing the Mediterranean is totally irresponsible. That child who was washed up on a beach in turkey and all the others that have drowned were a consequence of the actions from the European left. Their politics is more important than people lives, including children. Yet they act as if they occupy the moral high ground.