Caught turning on airport double red lines by camera van

peadar

Will be making the appeal soon, via email: they stipulate 14 or 21 days after 12 Jan.

Redx

have a good read of the LJLA thread over on pepipoo forums, where searching questions are being made of the red route and signage and bylaws

peadar

One thing that baffled me about the VCS response (apart from the text of the verbose signage being 'relative to the average approach speed of vehicles') is the reference to recovering the so-called charge "using debt recovery".

Surely they need a court judgement to establish the existence of a debt before they can even begin 'recovery' measures??

Guys_Dad

peadar wrote: »

One thing that baffled me about the VCS response (apart from the text of the verbose signage being 'relative to the average approach speed of vehicles') is the reference to recovering the so-called charge "using debt recovery".

Surely they need a court judgement to establish the existence of a debt before they can even begin 'recovery' measures??

No - they can appoint a debt collector to recover the charge. But until you lose in court, the debt collector is a chocolate fireguard.

hoohoo

peadar wrote: »

One thing that baffled me about the VCS response (apart from the text of the verbose signage being 'relative to the average approach speed of vehicles') is the reference to recovering the so-called charge "using debt recovery".

Surely they need a court judgement to establish the existence of a debt before they can even begin 'recovery' measures??

This is an attempt to bump up costs.

yotmon

peadar wrote: »

Surely they need a court judgement to establish the existence of a debt before they can even begin 'recovery' measures??

Not really, think of it this way, if someone you believed owed you money, you wouldn't think of taking them to court unless all other attempts had failed. First you would ask for the money, maybe followed by a few phone calls, then possibly a couple of letters. Then when they continue to ignore your requests, you might engage a Solicitor to write an 'official' looking letter to prompt payment. then if this fails you would try the small claims court.
It's just the same for the ppcs, they are no different to you or me and certainly don't have any 'special' powers to make you pay.

Sit it out and ignore. As all the above have said, there is nothing to do unless they issue papers from court - which in your circumstances would be very unlikely indeed.

Redx

hoohoo wrote: »

This is an attempt to bump up costs.

and as can be seen in recent events, somebody has done this through DCBL to add costs to such and extent that it went over the £600 threashold so they could try for a high court judgment which can only be done over a certain figure

so if you can get the costs inflated to that level, they go for the jugular via the high court and the "sheriffs" (high court enforcement officers , as seen on tv over the last 2 years or so)

peadar

yotmon wrote: »

Sit it out and ignore. As all the above have said, there is nothing to do unless they issue papers from court - which in your circumstances would be very unlikely indeed.

Sure. But I think I'd prefer to get them into court - they have declined the opportunity to provide evidence of a contract, and this idea that a big block of words on a stick can be somehow designed to be readable in the dark "relative to the average approach speed of vehicles", is ludicrous. This shabby 'welcome' to Liverpool needs to be stopped.

The next step should be court, messing around threatening it is a waste of time.

The_Deep

They are unlikely to take you to court as the chances are that they will lose and be several hundred pounds out of pocket, it is much cheaper to send threatening letters.

yotmon

peadar wrote: »

Sure. But I think I'd prefer to get them into court - they have declined the opportunity to provide evidence of a contract, and this idea that a big block of words on a stick can be somehow designed to be readable in the dark "relative to the average approach speed of vehicles", is ludicrous. This shabby 'welcome' to Liverpool needs to be stopped.

The next step should be court, messing around threatening it is a waste of time.

But unfortunately you cannot force someones hand to sue you. You can tell them to 'put up or shut up' but this won't force them to take action. I read on here or 'prankster's blog that multi-partnership meetings takes place at JLA which includes local authority Councillors from all the boroughs of Merseyside. I don't know if you live in the area but you certainly could lobby one of these elected members to argue your corner for you.