Caught turning on airport double red lines by camera van

peadar

I picked my son up this evening from Liverpool Airport, where the approach roads are double red-lined (and fairly well signed as such). I had arranged to meet in Drop Off 2 carpark (first 20 minutes are free), took the signposted turning for it but couldn't find it and turned around in an entrance to retrace my route. As I did so and waited for traffic before turning, I saw him running along just behind me and let him climb in.

Of course, the Vehicle Control van appeared on cue, and I'm expecting a £100 fine in the post. Peel Holdings use cameras for evidence of breach of car park T&Cs (I don't think it's a 'fine' as such).

I suspect that because of the Supreme Court ruling on 4 November 2015 basically okaying private parking fines, they would ultimately go to County Court. Which nowadays is just getting someone to fill in forms online. Is it worth complaining or contesting in light of the recent ruling?

Redx

its not a fine, its an invoice, one that VCS rarely try in court as they dont want the sc@m exposed, but you will get 6 years of hassle if an NTK arrives

search this forum using JLA and LIVERPOOL to see dozens of similar threads and only look at the last 15 months or so when they went over to the dark side (the IAS)

the Supreme Court ruling was on a different car park and on relevant land, an airport is not relevant land for POFA2012 and Beavis parked on a car park, whereas this was a roadway incident, not the same thing

also read Parking pranksters blogs on JLA too

get the info , do the research, then ask pertinent questions and dont assume you will automatically fail due to Beavis, its like assuming petrol and oil are the same because they are both liquids

I doubt that VCS would use the MCOL route, more likely to file in Sheffield court if they did try it on

ps:- its all explained in this recent thread, including where the "drop off" point is and why people do not SEE it

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5387380

Umkomaas

We would just love one VCS/LJLA (or any airport for that matter) case to go to court. It's just not going to happen, because there are so many booby traps waiting for them, they won't risk their airport money making racket by being found out in court.

You could sell tickets to MSE and PePiPoo forum regulars for a seat there!

trisontana

Liverpool's mayor has now voiced his criticism of the airport's parking policy:-

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-mayor-hits-out-airports-10699760

yotmon

peadar wrote: »

I saw him running along just behind me and let him climb in. QUOTE]

At first glance i thought you meant the VCS operator :rotfl:

As what Red X said, don't worry about it. As far as is known, VCS have never took anyone to court for stopping at JLA. Just ride it out and ignore the inevitable debt collector letters.

beamerguy

trisontana wrote: »

Liverpool's mayor has now voiced his criticism of the airport's parking policy:-

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-mayor-hits-out-airports-10699760

Andrew Cornish, CEO of the airport has missed the point altogether by prattling on about how many signs there are etc etc
Another CEO who is out of touch with the real world

The Mayor actually said ...

“The city relies massively on its tourist economy and the airport is operating in a hugely competitive commercial market. The key to a thriving tourism industry is good transport but also, crucially, good customer experience.

“The experiences of some airport users at the hands of this company, on the airport’s instructions, is bound to leave a very nasty taste in the mouth.

“It makes no sense to me to aggressively penalise those who are supporting the city’s economy and potentially discourage them from returning in the future.”

Excuses, excuses, excuses Mr Cornish and poor show for allowing these scammers into your airport in the first place

yotmon

trisontana wrote: »

Liverpool's mayor has now voiced his criticism of the airport's parking policy:-

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-mayor-hits-out-airports-10699760

That's good to hear Trisontana, the Mayor is saying it as it is. I have used Manchester airport 5 times as an alternative since my discretion with VCS, so I've certainly voted with my feet !
I'm sure I read somewhere on here that the 5 borough partnerships of Merseyside send a nominated Councilor to represent them at the Airport quarterly meetings, so hopefully they will try and get the message across that this stance is definitely causing a loss of custom. Locals are getting wise to the set up at JLA, but the airport is used by folk as far as Cumbria or North Wales, who have no idea of this scam and subsequently fall foul and as a result will not return.
Maybe Ryanair and Easyjet should be contacted to make them aware of how these scammers are effecting their business.

beamerguy

yotmon wrote: »

That's good to hear Trisontana, the Mayor is saying it as it is. I have used Manchester airport 5 times as an alternative since my discretion with VCS, so I've certainly voted with my feet !
I'm sure I read somewhere on here that the 5 borough partnerships of Merseyside send a nominated Councilor to represent them at the Airport quarterly meetings, so hopefully they will try and get the message across that this stance is definitely causing a loss of custom. Locals are getting wise to the set up at JLA, but the airport is used by folk as far as Cumbria or North Wales, who have no idea of this scam and subsequently fall foul and as a result will not return.
Maybe Ryanair and Easyjet should be contacted to make them aware of how these scammers are effecting their business.

There is never a better time to email all those involved in JLA, the CEO, the airlines, the shops within the airport (who pay ridiculous rents)

Email addresses are freely available, use google and type in
"CEO Email of (company name)"

I wonder if old Boris in London would care to extend his mayor duties to fighting the scammers

Umkomaas

If you look at the comments, the article seems to say as much about the mayor as it does the airport. A scouser can soon spot a chancer, no matter what side they're on.

Anyway, I guess the adage 'any publicity is good publicity' applies. Analyse that whichever way you care!

yotmon

peadar wrote: »

I picked my son up this evening from Liverpool Airport, where the approach roads are double red-lined (and fairly well signed as such). I had arranged to meet in Drop Off 2 carpark (first 20 minutes are free), took the signposted turning for it but couldn't find it and turned around in an entrance to retrace my route.
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Funnily enough, the above map has been removed from the JLA car parking website. As can be seen, its directing you to go straight ahead at the roundabout to gain access to Drop Off 2, however, in reality you will be met with No Entry signs. So you end up making the mistake that you did by taking the other turning shown, which leads to the i-parking area which is governed by a barrier (enforced stoppage). The actual turning you required has been omitted from the map and should be shown around 7 o'clock on the roundabout. To understand the road, go to Google earth and click on street view. It will show the correct turn off required and you will then realise the total uselessness of this map.

peadar

Yes, I certainly didn't see anything that could be reasonably interpreted as a 'contract'. It was dark, and I was trying to locate the car park.

I finally received the 'Parking Charge Notice' over the weekend and intend to appeal. And indicate that I would only pay subsequent to a court ruling. When you say that VCS "rarely" test the invoice in court - when were those rare occasions and what was the outcome? I haven't been able to find any online.