Transferring Carer's Allowance, Help

missbiggles1

ab1982 wrote: »

One for the cliche.

A US cliche as well.;)

ab1982

missbiggles1 wrote: »

A US cliche as well.;)

Do you mean clich! ?

FBaby

I have one simple question here - Apart from looking at the award for pip/dla - which is anecdotally pretty hard to get these days unless genuine....If you meet the descriptors for care component then by its very nature this means you need extra help to do every day things.
So anyway onto my simple question - How would YOU improve the system and even leave the cost at neutral never mind actually saving the taxpayer money ?

You know that there are some people in this country, who regardless of their income or how much they pay in tax who actually have issues with some government policies just because they think they are unfair, even if it has nothing to do with their own situation.

Most of the posters who are regularly accused of being benefit bashers here the second they express an opinion have made a statement at one point in time that they are not looking at disabled benefits to be reduced but better re-allocated, ie. We want to see those who genuinely meet the criteria and need income to make up for what they have lost receiving more whilst not making it so easy for those who claim 'just because they can'.

I am tired of being seen as a monster on these forums when I am every but in every day life. I don't like to see people suffer, I don't like people in need not getting it. I don't want my taxes to be reduced, I just want any money I give to go to those who really need it, rather than those who seek any opportunity to increase their disposable income because they believe they are entitled to everything they can get their hands on.

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FBaby wrote: »

You know that there are some people in this country, who regardless of their income or how much they pay in tax who actually have issues with some government policies just because they think they are unfair, even if it has nothing to do with their own situation.

Most of the posters who are regularly accused of being benefit bashers here the second they express an opinion have made a statement at one point in time that they are not looking at disabled benefits to be reduced but better re-allocated, ie. We want to see those who genuinely meet the criteria and need income to make up for what they have lost receiving more whilst not making it so easy for those who claim 'just because they can'.

I am tired of being seen as a monster on these forums when I am every but in every day life. I don't like to see people suffer, I don't like people in need not getting it. I don't want my taxes to be reduced, I just want any money I give to go to those who really need it, rather than those who seek any opportunity to increase their disposable income because they believe they are entitled to everything they can get their hands on.

I agree with you but one thing you need to understand is there are those of us who will be hated no matter what we do.

It doesn't matter how hard we try to fight our disabilities, it doesn't matter how responsible we are and it doesn't even matter if we try and be productive. People will hate on us because who we are. Some where in their lives they have been abused badly and they want revenge.

I sub-consciously want revenge on every person who bullied me from the age of 3 to 21. I actually wish the worst for them.

When I say I am a self-aware Psychopath people think I am the scum of the earth and some how I am faking my disability because Psychopaths are pathological liars.

What they haven't seen is my huge medical record, the state I leave my house in when I get drop-dead depression and the path of destruction I leave behind in my victims.

I can't live with my parents because I use to beat up my own mother.

And when I went to live with my Dad I was fighting with my other Brothers every single day. They couldn't even come within 5 meters of me before I caused some kind of drama.

I live alone in solitude with no job because this is the only way I can be mentally neutral. I'm a expert in my own condition but I'm also cursed for a incredibly lonely life.

The question is this.

Should I be put in a mental asylum like Broad-moor and cost the Tax Payers 3 times more than I get on welfare?

Or should I try and be the best human being I can be?

I think your the kind of person who would choose the latter. Please don't tell me you would rather judge us Psychopaths who try to conform to society norms and throw us down to hell.

kingfisherblue

ab1982 wrote: »

Likewise it seems to me that some take it personally when others offer opinions on benefit policy. I think everyone has a tendency to match other peoples statements and opinions to our own situation and risk being offended rather than take them for what they are.

I don’t agree with asking people to keep their mouths shut, this is an internet forum if there is a place for opinions, good/bad, informed/ignorant then this is it. If someone is easily offended by that it’s their problem.

For me this thread highlights the myriad of different situations people face and whatever the policy is it will never please everyone. There probably isn't a fool proof one size fits all solution to caring for family members.

Firstly, I agree that CA can easily be abused and should be subject to more rigorous checks. However, this is not the board to discuss benefits policy, it is to inform people of their entitlement (or that there is no entitlement).

FWIW, I care for my disabled son. I had to give up work. He requires care both day and night, and when he is in school, I catch up on sleep. I feel that I really earn my CA, and I think most people would agree with me. I know numerous parents with disabled children. Some have substantial caring responsibilities and others less so. Some work, some don't. I assume those who don't work (and by this, I mean paid employment), claim CA. I don't live their lives, so I cannot judge whether they give 35+ hours a week care. In some cases, I doubt it, but I couldn't be certain .

For myself, helping my son with feeding, washing, dressing, medications, speech therapy, physiotherapy, ensuring his safety, etc, bearing in mind he is almost eighteen, shows, I hope, that I am genuine.

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nannytone wrote: »

i accept you have the conditions you point out, but would like to add that being a psychopath is just a personality trait and not a mental health condition.
many successful business men and sportsmen have the psychopathic personality trait. probably because this trait is what makes them singleminded and allows them to concentrate on what is important to them and ignore everything else that goes on around.

nannytone wrote: »

the issue with some posters seemingly begrudging people that receive most benefits, is that they are aware of those than play the system to their own advantage.
they then point the finger at ANYONE that receives benefit, until they are given more information about the claim.
then the usual reply is ' i don't mean genuine people like you'

life isn't easy for many disabled people especially, and to have to justify the reason you need to claim adds insult to injury.

the people that are complaining vote at the elections and so they should take task with the people they elect instead of the people that have navigated the benefit system and been awarded a benefit by the people they chose to represent them.

as for all these people that posters know that they feel wrongly claim ...
simple. report them. just don't point the finder at everyone else and keep your mouth shut about the cases you know!

nannytone wrote: »

i class myself to be very lucky.
i was ( eventually) awarded the benefit i needed, and have a very well funded social care scheme, so i NEVER complain about the level of help i receive, both financial and practical.

but the worst offenders on this forum seem to be other disabled people that feel i receive too much help.
several times i have been told that i am 'only blind' as if all i need is to pull my socks up and get on with things

And I guess I am the one who should be ashamed for receiving too much help.

Talk about being self righteous. I bet every time you speak a halo shines from your head and doves sing to the tune of your voice.

FBaby

However, this is not the board to discuss benefits policy, it is to inform people of their entitlement (or that there is no entitlement).

Although I agree with this, still feels that is pointed out selectively. Nobody complained about it when there were so many discussions here about the potential impact of the change to tax credits.

Again, the issue is certainly not with those who provide intensive care, and from all the posts of yours I've read, I don't think anyone could doubt how many hours you have dedicated to caring for your son.

Unsurprisingly though, it is always going to be those who know they are fully entitled to CA who come and justify their claim when they are not the ones who need to. Those who do conveniently avoid any such discussion.

DavidF

FBaby wrote: »

You know that there are some people in this country, who regardless of their income or how much they pay in tax who actually have issues with some government policies just because they think they are unfair, even if it has nothing to do with their own situation.

Most of the posters who are regularly accused of being benefit bashers here the second they express an opinion have made a statement at one point in time that they are not looking at disabled benefits to be reduced but better re-allocated, ie. We want to see those who genuinely meet the criteria and need income to make up for what they have lost receiving more whilst not making it so easy for those who claim 'just because they can'.

I am tired of being seen as a monster on these forums when I am every but in every day life. I don't like to see people suffer, I don't like people in need not getting it. I don't want my taxes to be reduced, I just want any money I give to go to those who really need it, rather than those who seek any opportunity to increase their disposable income because they believe they are entitled to everything they can get their hands on.

There is an old saying "Play the ball not the man". Obviously football related but quite widely used in other circumstances. It just means in this case don't attack the claimant attack the policy.
Now while Martin has a thread at the very top of this section stating that this forum section is NOT the place to discuss government policy many people still feel this is the very place to find a place to vent their frustrations with said policy.
On here there is DT forum where anyone can post any tripe they like (or indeed words of wise wisdom). But this part of the forum by its very nature should be for vulnerable people to seek advice and dare I say even a bit of encouragement.
I would also venture to add if people are really that fed up of whatever piece of legislation they have issue with then why not speak to your local MP ? If enough people voice concerns directly to their MP then they will report this to their party as a potential voter issue.
I still stand by my comments though - Unless you can contribute to the solution then surely your energy would be better spent looking after you and your loved ones.

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kingfisherblue wrote: »

Firstly, I agree that CA can easily be abused and should be subject to more rigorous checks. However, this is not the board to discuss benefits policy, it is to inform people of their entitlement (or that there is no entitlement).

FWIW, I care for my disabled son. I had to give up work. He requires care both day and night, and when he is in school, I catch up on sleep. I feel that I really earn my CA, and I think most people would agree with me. I know numerous parents with disabled children. Some have substantial caring responsibilities and others less so. Some work, some don't. I assume those who don't work (and by this, I mean paid employment), claim CA. I don't live their lives, so I cannot judge whether they give 35+ hours a week care. In some cases, I doubt it, but I couldn't be certain .

For myself, helping my son with feeding, washing, dressing, medications, speech therapy, physiotherapy, ensuring his safety, etc, bearing in mind he is almost eighteen, shows, I hope, that I am genuine.

The trouble is the benefit system has changed from a medical examination to a computer questionnaire. This means your Son will be in the same circumstances as every disabled person on MSE where we have to verbally explain our disabilities.

The problem with this is there are those who have no idea about mental disabilities and brand every person with a mental disability as faking it.

FBaby

It doesn't matter how hard we try to fight our disabilities, it doesn't matter how responsible we are and it doesn't even matter if we try and be productive. People will hate on us because who we are. Some where in their lives they have been abused badly and they want revenge.

That I can fully understand even though I am not concerned. It is very hard for me to believe that they are people around who judge individuals on the basis of their diagnosis, disability, skin colour, sexual orientation etc.. alone rather than their values, attitudes, opinions etc..., but I know that it does happen and I can see how it would make anyone defensive by nature.

However, I can't see how anyone can deny that there are and always be people who will grab any opportunities for more money if they can do so without any fear of being caught or punished. The issue with CA is that it is so easy to avoid it that it is inevitable that a number of people will abuse the system.