Transferring Carer's Allowance, Help

FBaby

There is an old saying "Play the ball not the man". Obviously football related but quite widely used in other circumstances. It just means in this case don't attack the claimant attack the policy.

Except that I'm not interested in policy, even less governmental ones, but am more interested in human nature and how some people think it is ok to take things just because nobody will challenge them if they do even though what they take is not intended for them.

Unless you can contribute to the solution then surely your energy would be better spent looking after you and your loved ones.

Thank you, but no need to worry, although it could be argued that I probably spend too much time that could be used more productively, I can reassure you that it doesn't take too much energy out of my life and my loved ones (who at the moment are more interested in talking to their friends on the phone and watching TV than having a meaningful conversation with their mum!)

controversy

DavidF wrote: »

There is an old saying "Play the ball not the man". Obviously football related but quite widely used in other circumstances. It just means in this case don't attack the claimant attack the policy.
Now while Martin has a thread at the very top of this section stating that this forum section is NOT the place to discuss government policy many people still feel this is the very place to find a place to vent their frustrations with said policy.
On here there is DT forum where anyone can post any tripe they like (or indeed words of wise wisdom). But this part of the forum by its very nature should be for vulnerable people to seek advice and dare I say even a bit of encouragement.
I would also venture to add if people are really that fed up of whatever piece of legislation they have issue with then why not speak to your local MP ? If enough people voice concerns directly to their MP then they will report this to their party as a potential voter issue.
I still stand by my comments though - Unless you can contribute to the solution then surely your energy would be better spent looking after you and your loved ones.

I agree David. I told the OP to look into the Severe Disability Premium before the move to Universal Credit. If 2 disabled people are living together they can either be each others carer and get a carer premium or they can claim that they can't really look after each other 35 hours a day and claim the SDP.

Lets face it though 2 severe disabled people aren't going to clean up after each other that well. They are going to need some extra help from a able bodied person. I know I do since I have my Mum, Dad and Step Dad on call.

It really hard to say on a forum you need that extra bit of help and people don't like to admit it. I know I don't.

kingfisherblue

FBaby wrote: »

Although I agree with this, still feels that is pointed out selectively. Nobody complained about it when there were so many discussions here about the potential impact of the change to tax credits.

Again, the issue is certainly not with those who provide intensive care, and from all the posts of yours I've read, I don't think anyone could doubt how many hours you have dedicated to caring for your son.

Unsurprisingly though, it is always going to be those who know they are fully entitled to CA who come and justify their claim when they are not the ones who need to. Those who do conveniently avoid any such discussion.

I agree that it is often pointed out selectively - I don't know as much about tax credits, so don't comment as often.

I'm also aware that you have posted before that there is no issue with those of us who have significant caring responsibilities, and have been supportive towards us. I'm delighted to say that I'm currently planning my son's eighteenth birthday - after being given four hours to live (at age five hours) and undergoing four major operations a just before the four hours was up, I think his 18th birthday is a real achievement

controversy

FBaby wrote: »

That I can fully understand even though I am not concerned. It is very hard for me to believe that they are people around who judge individuals on the basis of their diagnosis, disability, skin colour, sexual orientation etc.. alone rather than their values, attitudes, opinions etc..., but I know that it does happen and I can see how it would make anyone defensive by nature.

However, I can't see how anyone can deny that there are and always be people who will grab any opportunities for more money if they can do so without any fear of being caught or punished. The issue with CA is that it is so easy to avoid it that it is inevitable that a number of people will abuse the system.

Well I will honestly tell you my own situation because I have told a lot of half truths in order to make people hate me on MSE. I feed off negative emotions. Its like a food which Psychopaths need to function.

The truth is I have Autism, Learning Difficulties, I get non-lethal bacterial infections over my body, I have incontinence issues, really bad behavioral issues, hyper sensitivity to people, light and sounds and I'm a Psychopath.

I was born with everything apart from being a Psychopath. The personality disorders developed over time and are a direct result of being bullied for 18 years almost.

I get a lot in welfare, I could receive even more if I wanted too but I chose not too.

I do have a mortgage but this so no landlord will kick me out of a home since I do make a lot of mess. The important thing is owning my own home enables me to make it adaptable for myself which I have some what done.

I just claim ESA+PIP and I've pretty much been claiming the same sort of thing all my life.

I claim carers allowance in the form of Severe Disability Premium because my Parents work & claim private pensions.

I try and be as responsible as I can with welfare money which I get.

But everyone hates me on MSE but I don't care what they think.

Mortgages for long term disabled people are nothing new. They've been around for years.

Hell I could have a mobility car but 1. I can't drive and 2. even if I pass my test I wouldn't spend £60 per week leasing a bran new car because that is a massive rip off. Rather save up for a car. Maybe a used Automatic which can be adapted for my needs.

kingfisherblue

controversy wrote: »

The trouble is the benefit system has changed from a medical examination to a computer questionnaire. This means your Son will be in the same circumstances as every disabled person on MSE where we have to verbally explain our disabilities.

The problem with this is there are those who have no idea about mental disabilities and brand every person with a mental disability as faking it.

Oh, I know he will have a computer questionnaire. I'll be filling it in, as he won't be able to understand it. He can read, up to the level of a seven year old, but doesn't have the understanding to go with it.

My son has physical and learning disabilities, not mental health problems. My other son has mental health problems but I don't claim DLA for him, as the money wouldn't help. In addition, I doubt if he would qualify as I am totally honest and would say that when he is having a bad time, its really hard to deal with and dreadful for us all, but most times he is okay.

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kingfisherblue wrote: »

I agree that it is often pointed out selectively - I don't know as much about tax credits, so don't comment as often.

I'm also aware that you have posted before that there is no issue with those of us who have significant caring responsibilities, and have been supportive towards us. I'm delighted to say that I'm currently planning my son's eighteenth birthday - after being given four hours to live (at age five hours) and undergoing four major operations a just before the four hours was up, I think his 18th birthday is a real achievement

King your Son can work 16 hours and get Tax Credits. He needs to maintain a job at a average of 16 hours a week over 52 weeks though.

On ESA he can do permitted work for a max of 15 hours where he can keep all his ESA + his wage for 52 weeks on WRAG or a unlimited time period in SUPPORT GROUP.

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kingfisherblue wrote: »

Oh, I know he will have a computer questionnaire. I'll be filling it in, as he won't be able to understand it. He can read, up to the level of a seven year old, but doesn't have the understanding to go with it.

My son has physical and learning disabilities, not mental health problems. My other son has mental health problems but I don't claim DLA for him, as the money wouldn't help. In addition, I doubt if he would qualify as I am totally honest and would say that when he is having a bad time, its really hard to deal with and dreadful for us all, but most times he is okay.

I know what your going though. I couldn't read or write properly until I was 14.

kingfisherblue

controversy wrote: »

King your Son can work 16 hours and get Tax Credits. He needs to maintain a job at a average of 16 hours a week over 52 weeks though.

On ESA he can do permitted work for a max of 15 hours where he can keep all his ESA + his wage for 52 weeks on WRAG or a unlimited time period in SUPPORT GROUP.

Both my sons are still in school. The older one will be in special school until he is 19, and given the amount of care he needs, he is unlikely to be able to work. My other son is in his GCSE year, seeking part time work, and hoping to study engineering in September (mechatronics? I might have got the name wrong).

missbiggles1

DavidF wrote: »

There is an old saying "Play the ball not the man". Obviously football related but quite widely used in other circumstances. It just means in this case don't attack the claimant attack the policy.
Now while Martin has a thread at the very top of this section stating that this forum section is NOT the place to discuss government policy many people still feel this is the very place to find a place to vent their frustrations with said policy.
On here there is DT forum where anyone can post any tripe they like (or indeed words of wise wisdom). But this part of the forum by its very nature should be for vulnerable people to seek advice and dare I say even a bit of encouragement.
I would also venture to add if people are really that fed up of whatever piece of legislation they have issue with then why not speak to your local MP ? If enough people voice concerns directly to their MP then they will report this to their party as a potential voter issue.
I still stand by my comments though - Unless you can contribute to the solution then surely your energy would be better spent looking after you and your loved ones.

Possibly because MSE staff often start discussion threads on here.;)

nannytone_2

FBaby wrote: »

I assume you are referring to my posts? If so, I find it very sad how you've chosen to distort them to suit your agenda, that is to believe that the moment someone raises an issue with a benefit entitlement being abused because of how easy it is to claim it, it is translated with that person begrudging ANYONE who claims it.

I do NOT begrudge EVERYONE who claims, I begrudge those who are using the weakness of the system to increase their income the easiest way. It isn't me who makes up figure, it is the DWP who themselves estimate CA to be the benefit most fraudulently claimed as a ratio of total claims. The problem is the DPW doesn't have the resources to investigate, so they select those with the highest value, and CA falls just under that.

Nannytone, I have found you very selective when it comes to the groups you defend and those you don't. You seem to be quite open about sharing your views in regards to the people you believe shouldn't be entitled to the level of benefit they get, but when it comes to anything that slightly relates to your personal situation, you seem to suddenly have it for anyone who dares have a point of view. Clearly you don't have an issue with those who share their experience that defends their entitlement to claim, but anything that doesn't and you get on your high horse.

Re-read my post, I said I would fully support any carer able to justify they genuinely provide 35 hours of care and should actually receive much more than the amount of CA, but of course, you bypassed this as it doesn't suit your agenda to show anyone who doesn't agree with the lax in the system as horrible people.

my post was only partly to do with your comments, but i can't quote more than 1 post at a time.

the part dealing with your comments was indeed ... why not report them?
they are only entitled if they meet the criteria and you say they don't. so its fraud.

as for being selective on the posts i defend ...
in this thread we are talking in general, and for more specific questions i am quite forward in giving an opinion, and i give negative responses to anyone, disabled or not. if they appear to be trying to exaggerate their claims in order to receive benefit