Transferring Carer's Allowance, Help

ab1982

DavidF wrote: »

So let's just say that we have a problem with some people getting CA even though they don't do a "full" 35 hours caring per week. I have one simple question here - Apart from looking at the award for pip/dla - which is anecdotally pretty hard to get these days unless genuine....If you meet the descriptors for care component then by its very nature this means you need extra help to do every day things.
So anyway onto my simple question - How would YOU improve the system and even leave the cost at neutral never mind actually saving the taxpayer money ?
Maybe we could install web cams in every claimants house....

These threads amaze me and it makes me sad to see the many different types of benefit bashers
1. The low earners - who are envious of the cash - Ridiculous
2. The mid earners - these types usually fall into the "It's never happened to us so it mustn't be that bad"
3. High earners - they fall into the same as number 2 in general and just want to pay less tax
4. Even people on other benefits again envious of the "extra" people who are sick get/need
5. Last of all even people who find themselves ill/needing care/receiving carers and or DLA/PIP ect ect...these types annoy me the most when they moan about others claiming....As we all know nobody is ever as ill or as hard done by as ones self

I really think people need to get a grip and get back to looking after their own affairs rather than judging others all day long.

If you read the posts rather than categorise others you may have noticed people have suggested alternatives.

DavidF

ab1982 wrote: »

If you read the posts rather than categorise others you may have noticed people have suggested alternatives.

Im quite happy to categorize others in this instance thanks all the same.

ab1982

DavidF wrote: »

Im quite happy to categorize others in this instance thanks all the same.

One for the cliche.

nannytone_2

DavidF wrote: »

So let's just say that we have a problem with some people getting CA even though they don't do a "full" 35 hours caring per week. I have one simple question here - Apart from looking at the award for pip/dla - which is anecdotally pretty hard to get these days unless genuine....If you meet the descriptors for care component then by its very nature this means you need extra help to do every day things.
So anyway onto my simple question - How would YOU improve the system and even leave the cost at neutral never mind actually saving the taxpayer money ?
Maybe we could install web cams in every claimants house....

These threads amaze me and it makes me sad to see the many different types of benefit bashers
1. The low earners - who are envious of the cash - Ridiculous
2. The mid earners - these types usually fall into the "It's never happened to us so it mustn't be that bad"
3. High earners - they fall into the same as number 2 in general and just want to pay less tax
4. Even people on other benefits again envious of the "extra" people who are sick get/need
5. Last of all even people who find themselves ill/needing care/receiving carers and or DLA/PIP ect ect...these types annoy me the most when they moan about others claiming....As we all know nobody is ever as ill or as hard done by as ones self

I really think people need to get a grip and get back to looking after their own affairs rather than judging others all day long.

i class myself to be very lucky.
i was ( eventually) awarded the benefit i needed, and have a very well funded social care scheme, so i NEVER complain about the level of help i receive, both financial and practical.

but the worst offenders on this forum seem to be other disabled people that feel i receive too much help.
several times i have been told that i am 'only blind' as if all i need is to pull my socks up and get on with things

SnooksNJ

Poppie68 wrote: »

I'm angry at people's attitude to carers, they are invaluable in many cases and can't understand why some begrudge them a very small payment to help.
I believe there are many many cases where carers shouldn't be awarded for example a couple claiming for looking after each other, the system needs to be more selective as at the moment the only criteria you have meet is the looked after person receiving the appropriate DLA/PIP and the carer not receiving more than £110 for paid work, it's madness as it is the easiest benefit to claim.

If it seems like I was having personal jabs at you I apologise.


Anyway this is yet another thread that's gone seriously down the pan and been well and truly hijacked by many others (including myself) arguing as usual over something none of us can change.

Fair enough and my intent wasn't to be all judgey in your case.
In actuality, I have the upmost respect for your daughter for putting her life aside and helping out.

DavidF

nannytone wrote: »

i class myself to be very lucky.
i was ( eventually) awarded the benefit i needed, and have a very well funded social care scheme, so i NEVER complain about the level of help i receive, both financial and practical.

but the worst offenders on this forum seem to be other disabled people that feel i receive too much help.
several times i have been told that i am 'only blind' as if all i need is to pull my socks up and get on with things

It is complete madness isn't it. Like I said people need to start getting back to basics of looking after themselves and their own families situation....instead of worrying or being envious of what others may or may not receive.
There are a small army of civil servants coupled with the "brilliant" minds of several think tanks who thought out and continue to "improve" benefit policy. No matter what any brilliant mind ever comes up with it will never satisfy even the majority. People will always feel envious and hard done by while pointing their fingers in other vulnerable peoples direction. Anyway I have said my little piece here and as always I hope for me and others to be able to get through life as happy and as unscathed as is possible.
For the record I used to be a carer - for my mum. I moved back home 500 miles to do so and took a wage cut of approx £30k to do the most demanding job with the longest hours (35 hours is a joke to most carers) - Now my mum has passed away I am no longer a carer nor am I as unwell as I ended up while being her main carer. Back at work as a self employed electrician which is what I have done since I was 16yo....Different outlook on life and I hope that im a much more contented person than I was before. It certainly opened my eyes which is probably where my annoyance of general benefit bashers comes in to play.

FBaby

nannytone wrote: »

the issue with some posters seemingly begrudging people that receive most benefits, is that they are aware of those than play the system to their own advantage.
they then point the finger at ANYONE that receives benefit, until they are given more information about the claim.
then the usual reply is ' i don't mean genuine people like you'

life isn't easy for many disabled people especially, and to have to justify the reason you need to claim adds insult to injury.

the people that are complaining vote at the elections and so they should take task with the people they elect instead of the people that have navigated the benefit system and been awarded a benefit by the people they chose to represent them.

as for all these people that posters know that they feel wrongly claim ...
simple. report them. just don't point the finder at everyone else and keep your mouth shut about the cases you know!

I assume you are referring to my posts? If so, I find it very sad how you've chosen to distort them to suit your agenda, that is to believe that the moment someone raises an issue with a benefit entitlement being abused because of how easy it is to claim it, it is translated with that person begrudging ANYONE who claims it.

I do NOT begrudge EVERYONE who claims, I begrudge those who are using the weakness of the system to increase their income the easiest way. It isn't me who makes up figure, it is the DWP who themselves estimate CA to be the benefit most fraudulently claimed as a ratio of total claims. The problem is the DPW doesn't have the resources to investigate, so they select those with the highest value, and CA falls just under that.

Nannytone, I have found you very selective when it comes to the groups you defend and those you don't. You seem to be quite open about sharing your views in regards to the people you believe shouldn't be entitled to the level of benefit they get, but when it comes to anything that slightly relates to your personal situation, you seem to suddenly have it for anyone who dares have a point of view. Clearly you don't have an issue with those who share their experience that defends their entitlement to claim, but anything that doesn't and you get on your high horse.

Re-read my post, I said I would fully support any carer able to justify they genuinely provide 35 hours of care and should actually receive much more than the amount of CA, but of course, you bypassed this as it doesn't suit your agenda to show anyone who doesn't agree with the lax in the system as horrible people.

FBaby

life isn't easy for many disabled people especially, and to have to justify the reason you need to claim adds insult to injury.

And just to reply to this specifically, if it wasn't for the fact that too many people try to get benefits that isn't intended for them, then the DWP certainly wouldn't bother to throw so much money is having to pick out the genuine from the none. Of course, in the case of CA, it is not a benefit for the disabled anyway.

ab1982

To echo FBaby sentiment it does seem that you get jumped on for sharing an opinion that benefit policy may need to be changed on here.

Not anybody in particular for me though.

I think I have been called clueless, ignorant, benefit basher, troll, bigot, moaner, resentful all on this thread. I'm all for speaking plainly on this forum but to chuck around labels and insults is no better than the frothing at the mouth 'Kipper types who say all benefit recipients spend it all on fags and booze.

I think there is a tendency to take things personally especially when the subject is close to home.

missbiggles1

DavidF wrote: »

So let's just say that we have a problem with some people getting CA even though they don't do a "full" 35 hours caring per week. I have one simple question here - Apart from looking at the award for pip/dla - which is anecdotally pretty hard to get these days unless genuine....If you meet the descriptors for care component then by its very nature this means you need extra help to do every day things.
So anyway onto my simple question - How would YOU improve the system and even leave the cost at neutral never mind actually saving the taxpayer money ?
Maybe we could install web cams in every claimants house....

These threads amaze me and it makes me sad to see the many different types of benefit bashers
1. The low earners - who are envious of the cash - Ridiculous
2. The mid earners - these types usually fall into the "It's never happened to us so it mustn't be that bad"
3. High earners - they fall into the same as number 2 in general and just want to pay less tax
4. Even people on other benefits again envious of the "extra" people who are sick get/need
5. Last of all even people who find themselves ill/needing care/receiving carers and or DLA/PIP ect ect...these types annoy me the most when they moan about others claiming....As we all know nobody is ever as ill or as hard done by as ones self

I really think people need to get a grip and get back to looking after their own affairs rather than judging others all day long.

It really isn't that simple. My late husband claimed the high rate of AA (very severe COPD - on oxygen 24/7) but he really didn't need 35 hours a week care, even up to the point he went into the hospital where he died. He did need company as he was virtually house bound but, obviously, as as wife, that was a normal part of married life.

I wasn't eligible for CA (and doubt I would've claimed it if I had been) but I probably did an hour or so a day for him that you could genuinely call "care" - perhaps a little more during bad periods. That's why I argue that, if we were to stop paying CA for the normal family relationship/company providing that is often misdescribed as care, we could spend more on those who do the full blown, hands on caring where the money is really needed - and earned.