Transferring Carer's Allowance, Help

Poppie68

SnooksNJ wrote: »

Why are you calling yourself useless? You are very efficient throwing personal jabs and sarcasm my way.
I get it, your angry. I would be angry as well if I had to give up my job. But I'm not a MP so don't take it out on me.

I'm angry at people's attitude to carers, they are invaluable in many cases and can't understand why some begrudge them a very small payment to help.
I believe there are many many cases where carers shouldn't be awarded for example a couple claiming for looking after each other, the system needs to be more selective as at the moment the only criteria you have meet is the looked after person receiving the appropriate DLA/PIP and the carer not receiving more than £110 for paid work, it's madness as it is the easiest benefit to claim.

If it seems like I was having personal jabs at you I apologise.


Anyway this is yet another thread that's gone seriously down the pan and been well and truly hijacked by many others (including myself) arguing as usual over something none of us can change.

Darksparkle

Poppie68 wrote: »

I'm angry at people's attitude to carers, they are invaluable in many cases and can't understand why some begrudge them a very small payment to help.
I believe there are many many cases where carers shouldn't be awarded for example a couple claiming for looking after each other, the system needs to be more selective as at the moment the only criteria you have meet is the looked after person receiving the appropriate DLA/PIP and the carer not receiving more than £110 for paid work, it's madness as it is the easiest benefit to claim.

If it seems like I was having personal jabs at you I apologise.


Anyway this is yet another thread that's gone seriously down the pan and been well and truly hijacked by many others (including myself) arguing as usual over something none of us can change.

I don't think people begrudge all carers but some of the circumstances like for example, as you say, a couple can claim it for each other. Not just a couple but friends and other family members could potentially claim for each other. I do find it hard to accept that if someone needs 35hrs care that they can also provide 35hrs care. But I suppose it really should depend on the individuals.

Not really a relevant example because neither of them claim carers allowance but my grandparents, one is nearly deaf and one is nearly blind along with other ailments for both (mostly old age type things). They do essentially care for each other to do the things the other would have difficulty with. I don't think I could put any timings on it though, they are together almost 24/7.

I do think it's something that should be monitored more.

The one I see people getting more annoyed about its those who are already stay at home parents that then can claim carers. I can understand why people get bothered by this however at the end of the day, the can only claim carers because they have a child with middle to high care needs. I don't think I can grudge anyone an extra £60 per week if it helps them manage that.

Poppie68

Darksparkle wrote: »

I don't think people begrudge all carers but some of the circumstances like for example, as you say, a couple can claim it for each other. Not just a couple but friends and other family members could potentially claim for each other. I do find it hard to accept that if someone needs 35hrs care that they can also provide 35hrs care. But I suppose it really should depend on the individuals.

Not really a relevant example because neither of them claim carers allowance but my grandparents, one is nearly deaf and one is nearly blind along with other ailments for both (mostly old age type things). They do essentially care for each other to do the things the other would have difficulty with. I don't think I could put any timings on it though, they are together almost 24/7.

I do think it's something that should be monitored more.

The one I see people getting more annoyed about its those who are already stay at home parents that then can claim carers. I can understand why people get bothered by this however at the end of the day, the can only claim carers because they have a child with middle to high care needs. I don't think I can grudge anyone an extra £60 per week if it helps them manage that.

The child would need to require care above and beyond that of another child without disabilities...
There are so many different scenarios and I can't only vouch for one case as she is a friend..

3 years ago friend had a full-time job, mortgage and no debt, single mum to a 10 year old and a 16 year old.
10 year old collapsed at school in the morning by teatime they were told she may die, they found a massive tumour on her brain.. Cut a long story short, 4 months she comes out of hospital in a wheelchair unable to use her limbs efficiently, incontinent, and frequently vomits due to another tumour discovered a few months later which can't be removed because it's too dangerous.... She will never walk again and can't even hold a cup without help...
She attends a special school 4 days a week, mum drops her off then goes home does things others would do on days off or evenings and catches up on sleep because her nights are constantly broken as if she has a new born baby. Her baby won't get better the damage was too severe this is the life for both of them until one of them passes....
Should parents like these not be given a small amount of financial help at the very least?

Interesting I briefly read that the drunks and druggies cost this country £10.1billion a year....This is an area that never gets evaluated, they are left to these self inflicted conditions and never challenged.... The government doesn't seem to know what to do with them so they are left to carry on there chosen lifestyles funded by the tax payers...

Darksparkle

Poppie68 wrote: »

The child would need to require care above and beyond that of another child without disabilities...
There are so many different scenarios and I can't only vouch for one case as she is a friend..

3 years ago friend had a full-time job, mortgage and no debt, single mum to a 10 year old and a 16 year old.
10 year old collapsed at school in the morning by teatime they were told she may die, they found a massive tumour on her brain.. Cut a long story short, 4 months she comes out of hospital in a wheelchair unable to use her limbs efficiently, incontinent, and frequently vomits due to another tumour discovered a few months later which can't be removed because it's too dangerous.... She will never walk again and can't even hold a cup without help...
She attends a special school 4 days a week, mum drops her off then goes home does things others would do on days off or evenings and catches up on sleep because her nights are constantly broken as if she has a new born baby. Her baby won't get better the damage was too severe this is the life for both of them until one of them passes....
Should parents like these not be given a small amount of financial help at the very least?

Interesting I briefly read that the drunks and druggies cost this country £10.1billion a year....This is an area that never gets evaluated, they are left to these self inflicted conditions and never challenged.... The government doesn't seem to know what to do with them so they are left to carry on there chosen lifestyles funded by the tax payers...

Did you read my full post?

I said I don't grudge anyone an extra £60 per week if it helps them manage the additional care needs the child has.

I'm not going to discuss addicts. I have had 3 family members die from addictions. One had been clean for over 18years but died from complications from taking drugs those 18 years before. It's very easy just to say it's self inflicted and why should they get help but unless you've seen it and been through it with a loved one I think it's very easy to blame them.

Poppie68

Darksparkle wrote: »

Did you read my full post?

I said I don't grudge anyone an extra £60 per week if it helps them manage the additional care needs the child has.

Sorry Darksparkle it wasn't a dig at you at all, the whole thread has got to me...I'm confident that my daughter more than earned her carers allowance while she put her life in hold for me. Thankfully we have paid carers in place now but some carers are stuck with their situations for life..


I apologise to anyone today if it seems I have misread posts...I'm totally drugged up and my brain is well and truly fuddled.

nannytone_2

the issue with some posters seemingly begrudging people that receive most benefits, is that they are aware of those than play the system to their own advantage.
they then point the finger at ANYONE that receives benefit, until they are given more information about the claim.
then the usual reply is ' i don't mean genuine people like you'

life isn't easy for many disabled people especially, and to have to justify the reason you need to claim adds insult to injury.

the people that are complaining vote at the elections and so they should take task with the people they elect instead of the people that have navigated the benefit system and been awarded a benefit by the people they chose to represent them.

as for all these people that posters know that they feel wrongly claim ...
simple. report them. just don't point the finder at everyone else and keep your mouth shut about the cases you know!

ab1982

nannytone wrote: »

the issue with some posters seemingly begrudging people that receive most benefits, is that they are aware of those than play the system to their own advantage.
they then point the finger at ANYONE that receives benefit, until they are given more information about the claim.
then the usual reply is ' i don't mean genuine people like you'

life isn't easy for many disabled people especially, and to have to justify the reason you need to claim adds insult to injury.

the people that are complaining vote at the elections and so they should take task with the people they elect instead of the people that have navigated the benefit system and been awarded a benefit by the people they chose to represent them.

as for all these people that posters know that they feel wrongly claim ...
simple. report them. just don't point the finder at everyone else and keep your mouth shut about the cases you know!

Likewise it seems to me that some take it personally when others offer opinions on benefit policy. I think everyone has a tendency to match other peoples statements and opinions to our own situation and risk being offended rather than take them for what they are.

I don’t agree with asking people to keep their mouths shut, this is an internet forum if there is a place for opinions, good/bad, informed/ignorant then this is it. If someone is easily offended by that it’s their problem.

For me this thread highlights the myriad of different situations people face and whatever the policy is it will never please everyone. There probably isn't a fool proof one size fits all solution to caring for family members.

SingleSue

mumps wrote: »

I know someone with a severely disabled child, she is a baby in a 14 year olds body. I have seen the way that many has aged, in 14 years he has gone from an active young man to a burnt out old man, he had to reduce to part time work and his wife works part time as well, work for them is a break. I don't know what benefits they get but whatever it is I don't begrudge them a penny. They are amazing and their love for their daughter is plain for all to see.

My caring role has led to me now having to use a wheelchair when out, such was the abuse my body endured over the years.

I had to give up work to be a carer for two disabled sons, childcare was not possible to source because of their complicated needs, respite was not given, again because of their complicated and overwhelming needs and for the last 10 years since being single, I have not had a day off to recharge batteries....even before, the load was pretty much mine except that the ex husband would take over the care duties while I worked in the evening.

A good night sleep would be about 5 hours (but not all in one go!) for me, they are very very rare, at times, there is no sleep at all.

Mine are not babies anymore, youngest is 18 this year and even though middle is now at uni, arranging his support there as he is unable to live independantly has been stressful and quite complicated (although the uni have been brilliant), even then, there are lots of trips over to sort him out, long phone calls etc to give support.

Youngest didn't go full time at school until he was 11, even then, I had an order that I was not to go to work as I had to be available to be at the school within 10 minutes if I was needed and boy did they call, even if I had ignored the order, I would have been sacked pretty quickly for being unreliable. Couple this with extended stays in hospital and other illnesses which kept him at home, his attendance has not been even remotely average or great and work was still impossible.

Re travel costs, my costs actually increased in this area due to the varied and multiple appointments, therapies etc over the two children...and I was commuting to work before hand! Even when these reduced, school and college runs continued to play a big part (and still do today, especially as youngest is at college 20 miles away and again, I still get called to help with him)

I'm now at the stage where the caring role has reduced enough for me to think about possibly returning to work (I don't want to shout that too loudly, everytime I do, something else goes wrong!) for the few available hours I now have but now I have to face the challenge of someone actually wanting to employ a mobility impaired person whose energy levels are shot to pieces and whose brain goes into a fog at annoying moments :rotfl:

I once had a great career, I was a higher rate tax payer with lots of potential for moving even further up the ladder (I was already at a pretty high level) but having disabled children put a halt to that...not that I would be without the children though, seeing them come through their challenges and coming out the other side has been so so worth it.

nannytone_2

ab1982 wrote: »

Likewise it seems to me that some take it personally when others offer opinions on benefit policy. I think everyone has a tendency to match other peoples statements and opinions to our own situation and risk being offended rather than take them for what they are.

I don’t agree with asking people to keep their mouths shut, this is an internet forum if there is a place for opinions, good/bad, informed/ignorant then this is it. If someone is easily offended by that it’s their problem.

For me this thread highlights the myriad of different situations people face and whatever the policy is it will never please everyone. There probably isn't a fool proof one size fits all solution to caring for family members.

i didn't tell anyone to 'keep their mouth shut' ( probably better use of punctuation needed;) )
i said ... the posters that KNOW someone is falsely claiming shouldn't keep their mouths shut and just moan. they should report them!

the main issue is that many posters do NOT know what it is like to either be, or to care for, someone with a severe disability and are completely ignorant as to the costs that can be involved.

i too think that there need to be more stringent checks and controls around carers allowance, as the only criteria is that the person that allegedly receives care is on the relevant benefit

DavidF

So let's just say that we have a problem with some people getting CA even though they don't do a "full" 35 hours caring per week. I have one simple question here - Apart from looking at the award for pip/dla - which is anecdotally pretty hard to get these days unless genuine....If you meet the descriptors for care component then by its very nature this means you need extra help to do every day things.
So anyway onto my simple question - How would YOU improve the system and even leave the cost at neutral never mind actually saving the taxpayer money ?
Maybe we could install web cams in every claimants house....

These threads amaze me and it makes me sad to see the many different types of benefit bashers
1. The low earners - who are envious of the cash - Ridiculous
2. The mid earners - these types usually fall into the "It's never happened to us so it mustn't be that bad"
3. High earners - they fall into the same as number 2 in general and just want to pay less tax
4. Even people on other benefits again envious of the "extra" people who are sick get/need
5. Last of all even people who find themselves ill/needing care/receiving carers and or DLA/PIP ect ect...these types annoy me the most when they moan about others claiming....As we all know nobody is ever as ill or as hard done by as ones self

I really think people need to get a grip and get back to looking after their own affairs rather than judging others all day long.