Girlfriend's pregnant...

Mrs_pbradley936

Jhoney wrote: »

Hold on, people started being taxed in England and Wales from as recently as the 1980's?....

That is not what I said in response to your assertion re wealth distribution.

Widespread benefits did not start in 1948 - the NHS did. Prior to 1972 because of our tax structure the average householder with a couple of children and a stay a home wife did not pay income tax. They were able to claim an allowance for their spouse and any other dependents be they children and/or elderly or disabled relatives.

We did not give money and housing away. Poor people paid their own rent. Babies were taken away from people without the means to support them.

That is the social history and because attitudes took time to change there was a gap in the availability of benefits and the claiming. The gap closed quickly.

Jhoney_2

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

That is not what I said in response to your assertion re wealth distribution.

Widespread benefits did not start in 1948 - the NHS did. Prior to 1972 because of our tax structure the average householder with a couple of children and a stay a home wife did not pay income tax. They were able to claim an allowance for their spouse and any other dependents be they children and/or elderly or disabled relatives.

We did not give money and housing away. Poor people paid their own rent. Babies were taken away from people without the means to support them.

That is the social history and because attitudes took time to change there was a gap in the availability of benefits and the claiming. The gap closed quickly.

Was there not subsidized/low council rent yet?

Anyway, the sentence in my post #163 with the quote from another poster was nothing to do with benefits or housing so perhaps I was not clear and caused misunderstanding.

I have only ever known my salary to be taxed - where those taxes (my wealth) is redistributed once taken has never been something I was asked for consent for.

Person_one

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

Before tax based benefits we had charity and faith based aid. People were indeed free to give where they saw the greatest need or not give at all.

Very true, and what an idyllic society we had then, nobody suffered at all...

Dan83

Has the original poster even replied to anyone?

When u read the post, I thought this has got to be a wind up.

1st thing 1st tho, if a 21 year old had knocked up my 17yo daughter, I'd probably be locked up now.

vbanana

bobbymotors wrote: »

There is no easy solution, apart from keeping your c*** in your trousers or taking a pill every day.

No one has a 'right' to do something which someone else has to pay for, this includes bringing a child into the world.

If you can afford to do something, and it's legal, and you want to do it, go ahead: but I don't want to contribute if you can't afford to do it, thank you.

Yes indeed their life may well turn out better than mine, one cannot predict the future. However how my life has turned out has been entirely financed by me, and that's how it should be

So does this mean you finance all your healthcare? You don't do anything in your life that is not subsidised by the British taxpayers?

jhyt89

It's people like these two I cannot stand. 17 years old and getting pregnant with no qualifications and no job relying on my hard earned tax. Why don't we all have kids and not work and live off benefits. Who will pay the taxes to supplement you? It's because of these people we keep borrowing more money as a country, as well as of course the greedy bankers. Two opposite ends of the spectrum ruining the country whilst the middle class struggle. When will these stupid people learn. Arghhhhh

Guest101

jhyt89 wrote: »

It's people like these two I cannot stand. 17 years old and getting pregnant with no qualifications and no job relying on my hard earned tax. Why don't we all have kids and not work and live off benefits. Who will pay the taxes to supplement you? It's because of these people we keep borrowing more money as a country, as well as of course the greedy bankers. Two opposite ends of the spectrum ruining the country whilst the middle class struggle. When will these stupid people learn. Arghhhhh

No-one is asking you to 'stand' them. If you don't like it, pop over to heathrow and off you go somewhere without a social benefits system.


I'm sure they are relying on 'your' tax specifically, just out of curiosity how much tax do you pay a year? It's statistically probable you are in negative with tax vs benefit ratio - given you are 'middle class'.

[Deleted User]

jhyt89 wrote: »

how is it fair for a 17 year old who has contributed zero into the pot, to take out of it. Most people contribute and take out. That's fair.

So are you saying that if someone is unfortunate enough to be born severely disabled and as a result can not work, they should get no help for the rest of their lives because they have not 'put into the pot'?

ManuelG

Ah the beauty of the internet, where people can meet for an argument at weekly intervals.

Guest101

ManuelG wrote: »

Ah the beauty of the internet, where people can meet for an argument at weekly intervals.

Weekly? It's more daily, or even hourly!