Girlfriend's pregnant...

qwert_yuiop

What pronoun do you use to describe unborn children or babies if you don't know the sex? I always say it. Am I a bad parent?

Anyway, good luck to you both. Chances are you'll fall in love with your baby and shudder in a couple of years when you think about what might have happened.

GwylimT

G_M wrote: »

Whatever moral standpoint you take, in the eyes of the law an unborn child is not a person.

One cannot be convicted of murder of an unborn child for that reason.

So perhaps 'it' is the most appropriate word until birth, when the child becomes (legally) human..........

Discuss.

You can be convicted of child destruction, it isn't murder until your child is a year old.

marksoton

G_M wrote: »

Whatever moral standpoint you take, in the eyes of the law an unborn child is not a person.

One cannot be convicted of murder of an unborn child for that reason.

So perhaps 'it' is the most appropriate word until birth, when the child becomes (legally) human..........

Discuss.

I'm not playing your game 2 nights in a row!

GwylimT

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

What pronoun do you use to describe unborn children or babies if you don't know the sex? I always say it. Am I a bad parent?

Anyway, good luck to you both. Chances are you'll fall in love with your baby and shudder in a couple of years when you think about what might have happened.

We have always called ours the baby, or if we have had a name idea we have tested that out to see how it feels.

G_M

GwylimT wrote: »

You can be convicted of child destruction, it isn't murder until your child is a year old.

Punishment for child destruction.

(1)Subject as hereinafter in this subsection provided, any person who, with intent to destroy the life of a child capable of being born alive, by any wilful act causes a child to die before it has an existence independent of its mother, shall be guilty of felony, to wit, of child destruction, and shall be liable on conviction thereof on indictment to penal servitude for life:

What a shame this thread, on a forum that can be so helpful, has been hijacked by small-minded people smugly hammering away at their keyboards, when all the OP asked for was housing advice. I hope all of you criticising the OP have led perfect lives with no setbacks or difficult decisions.

OP I don't know the answer to your question, but I wish you well.

I agree though I think the thread has long-since passed the point of addressing the OP's housing question....

qwert_yuiop

G_M wrote: »

Whatever moral standpoint you take, in the eyes of the law an unborn child is not a person.

One cannot be convicted of murder of an unborn child for that reason.

So perhaps 'it' is the most appropriate word until birth, when the child becomes (legally) human..........

Discuss.

There is an ongoing case in London of a man who (allegedly) kicked his pregnant girlfriend, causing her to abort. The charge is child destruction.

moneyistooshorttomention

JencParker wrote: »

But it's ok for the tax payer to?


Life isn't always fair and there are indeed consequences. As parents you should support your children through their difficulties. If they can't, why did they have children - and not a great example to be setting.

If you'd read my posts - I think it would be clear that I don't think its fair for taxpayers to help out either.

Jhoney_2

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

If you'd read my posts - I think it would be clear that I don't think its fair for taxpayers to help out either.

...leaving consequences/helping out to mother and implicitly (unborn) baby....

Are you really comfortable with this conclusion MTSTM? Poor grandparents, Great grandma, father and taxpayer - deciding that for whatever reason, there is no room at the Inn. Very festive, but Didums.

Let's not chastise , question or encourage the parents who threw her out or will not take her in.

Lets not chastise the 21 yo man responsible for the contribution of half of the child's genealogy.

Let's blame the unborn baby and the 17 year old now homeless girl.

:T:T:T

My goodness, is this really where we are as a society? Depressing.

leveller2911

Jhoney wrote: »

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Let's blame the unborn baby and the 17 year old now homeless girl.



My goodness, is this really where we are as a society? Depressing.

People are fed up to the back teeth of subsidising the !!!!less. Blame the Tories in the 1980's who were the ones who started giving teenage mums council houses.Then blame the Labour Government of the 1990's who handed out taxpayers money to the teenage mums like confetti.

Do you really blame society for being !!!!!! off. Its my birthday today and my wife and children treated me to lunch.

The young mum (23 yrs old now) sitting on the adjacent table with her 3 kids lives 4 doors down from us.She was texting on her new i-phone 6 , never worked a day in her life and neither has her boyfriend but they still get enough benefits to have lunch in a decent resturant and I-phone 6's. Then we have the ones who work as least as possible to maximise benefits through Tax credits etc.

I'm sitting here typing this at the age of 47 in pain from arthritis in my fingers from working since the day I left school.

When/If I ever get to retire and I'm lucky enough to get my state pension the f*ckless in society who will have paid next to nothing into the system will still be looked after nicely with the Pension Credit or whatever it will be called in 2039....

I have the right to be !!!!ed off.

The saddest thing of all is we still have a society where a sizeable minority are quite happy to live off the backs of those who work and contribute.

marksoton

leveller2911 wrote: »

People are fed up to the back teeth of subsidising the !!!!less. Blame the Tories in the 1980's who were the ones who started giving teenage mums council houses.Then blame the Labour Government of the 1990's who handed out taxpayers money to the teenage mums like confetti.

Do you really blame society for being !!!!!! off. Its my birthday today and my wife and children treated me to lunch.

The young mum (23 yrs old now) sitting on the adjacent table with her 3 kids lives 4 doors down from us.She was texting on her new i-phone 6 , never worked a day in her life and neither has her boyfriend but they still get enough benefits to have lunch in a decent resturant and I-phone 6's. Then we have the ones who work as least as possible to maximise benefits through Tax credits etc.

I'm sitting here typing this at the age of 47 in pain from arthritis in my fingers from working since the day I left school.

When/If I ever get to retire and I'm lucky enough to get my state pension the f*ckless in society who will have paid next to nothing into the system will still be looked after nicely with the Pension Credit or whatever it will be called in 2039....

I have the right to be !!!!ed off.

The saddest thing of all is we still have a society where a sizeable minority are quite happy to live off the backs of those who work and contribute.

Happy birthday, have some :bdaycake:

It's not the claimants you need to worry about here, it's their endless apologists. Any excuse will do.

After being called a vile creature tonight i can cope with any insult.

I pity people with no aspiration, they'll never see the things in the world i have. They just live in their own self contained bubble.