Large slums developing in France

Sapphire

wotsthat wrote: »

I know you favour some sort of not prison camps for foreigners built in a far flung part of the empire but it's not a long term solution. We could spend money helping to build economies which would reduce the draw of Europe and we could also sell stuff to them and vice versa. It could be a virtuous circle and increase rather than substantially reduce income. My guess would be terrorist recruits would be a little harder to find - I'd be a tad more resentful towards a Europe that used concentration camps and, of course, it's a pain in the backside to be planting IED's at night when you've got to get up for work in the morning.

I don't 'favour' any sort of 'prison camps for foreigners', so don't make false assumptions such as this. Last time I looked, this country did not have an 'empire', either. And what's this about 'concentration camps' and 'terrorist recruits'? Don't be silly.

I do favour returning economic migrants from Africa and the Middle East from whence they came, or returning them to areas to which they belong, so they don't bring strife and poverty to Europe. If they did not want to return to their countries of origin, camps could be created for them to stay in outside Europe. The fact that you don't see the negatives of such people being allowed to roam freely throughout Europe (somehow I don't see the mobs attacking lorry drivers with machetes and knives in Calais as anything more than criminals) is your loss, not mine. Dream on (for now)…

Mistermeaner

If Scotland goes independent should those living in rouk be returned from wence they came?

Generali

Sapphire wrote: »

I don't 'favour' any sort of 'prison camps for foreigners', so don't make false assumptions such as this. Last time I looked, this country did not have an 'empire', either. And what's this about 'concentration camps' and 'terrorist recruits'? Don't be silly.

I do favour returning economic migrants from Africa and the Middle East from whence they came, or returning them to areas to which they belong, so they don't bring strife and poverty to Europe. If they did not want to return to their countries of origin, camps could be created for them to stay in outside Europe. The fact that you don't see the negatives of such people being allowed to roam freely throughout Europe (somehow I don't see the mobs attacking lorry drivers with machetes and knives in Calais as anything more than criminals) is your loss, not mine. Dream on (for now)…

So where are you going to return people who don't have papers or are from the middle of a war zone?

Sapphire

Generali wrote: »

So where are you going to return people who don't have papers or are from the middle of a war zone?

The fact is that the sort of illegal migration that is happening now didn't happen in the past, even with much worse circumstances existing around the world. What needs to be done for a start to prevent it from happening is to reinstate strict border controls – which I believe is one of the measures that will have to be taken sooner or later. There was never any great hassle with the existence of border controls before, so I don't think there would be now. Benefits for illegal migrants in the form of things like free housing, free health service and free education (i.e. paid for taxpayers) should also be stopped, which would act as a deterrent and hopefully result in such migrants returning home.

CLAPTON

Sapphire wrote: »

The fact is that the sort of illegal migration that is happening now didn't happen in the past, even with much worse circumstances existing around the world. What needs to be done for a start to prevent it from happening is to reinstate strict border controls – which I believe is one of the measures that will have to be taken sooner or later. There was never any great hassle with the existence of border controls before, so I don't think there would be now. Benefits for illegal migrants in the form of things like free housing, free health service and free education (i.e. paid for taxpayers) should also be stopped, which would act as a deterrent and hopefully result in such migrants returning home.

maybe something could be learned from our Australian friends about how to gently and kindly redirect people from their shores

Sapphire

CLAPTON wrote: »

maybe something could be learned from our Australian friends about how to gently and kindly redirect people from their shores

:beer::j:T:eek:

Generali

Australia took about a third of the refugees that the UK did and is about a third of the size.

There is a weird idea that Australia doesn't take migrants or refugees and I'm not sure where it comes from as it's not backed up by the facts.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Australia took about a third of the refugees that the UK did and is about a third of the size.

There is a weird idea that Australia doesn't take migrants or refugees and I'm not sure where it comes from as it's not backed up by the facts.

so far you are the only person that has said that :

however, Australia does have expertise is how to stop people arriving, which is the point at issue

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

so far you are the only person that has said that :

however, Australia does have expertise is how to stop people arriving, which is the point at issue

Policing the Pacific Ocean is a very different proposition to policing the Med.

The other thing is that, in theory at least and ignoring the operational problems in the detention centres, Australia has negotiated solutions with places like PNG to rent a part of Manus Island for example. The rental of Manus was simplified by the fact that there was a previous processing place there which just needed to be reopened. Also the scale of the numbers is several orders of magnitude smaller and it is a large island with a population of 50,000 people. The fact is also that PNG is poor and its Government corrupt so with the right moves you can get almost any decision made.

So to put up a detention centre you need to:

1. Find somewhere to put it with the agreement of the local people. Where do you suggest. Malta? Cyprus? Ibiza? Isle of Wight?
2. Secure it.
3. Put in the infrastructure required to care for a million or more people.

This is not trivial, far from it. Actually the simplest solution might simply be to spread 1-2-3,000,000 people across a continent containing a billion people after all.

chris_m

Generali wrote: »

Australia took about a third of the refugees that the UK did and is about a third of the size.

You must know a different Australia to the one of which I do