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Another definition of the word.
Ignorant

discourteous or rude.

Um, no, that's a meaning of 'ignorant' you have just made up.

"this ignorant, pin-brained receptionist"

That sentence implies the speaker is annoyed at the receptionist's lack of knowledge or 'common sense', not that the receptionist is rude. Insofar as rudeness comes into it, the speaker is explaining why the receptionist has been rude, namely out of ignorance of (presumably) the speaker's own needs.

mumps

Nick_C wrote: »

I'm neither a woman nor a teacher, but it was 1956.

Equal pay for women only became compulsory in 1975.

I know women teachers get equal pay, two of my kids are teachers. The thing that has always fascinated me is in primary schools the vast majority of teachers seem to be women, at least that has always been my experience with my children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews and friends children but so many have a male head. Have I just experienced a biased sample or is that really the case? If it is true do you think it is down to discrimination or something else?

I went to a Catholic primary and was taught by nuns, the head was a nun so obviously female but other than that I can only think of one female head at a primary school I have come into contact with.

To answer Figgerty's question I was born in late 1953 so affected by both 1995 and 2011 changes. I agree with the 1995 changes but think the 2011 changes didn't give enough notice and a 12 month increase in retirement age shouldn't mean some people have their retirement age increased by 18 months. I left school at 15 with no qualification but later attended the local poly as a mature student. I attended part-time as I had a full-time job and two young children.

Goldiegirl

saver861 wrote: »

This is consistent with the findings of the 2004 DWP survey. I don't recall the exact figures but it was something in the region of 71% were aware of the equalisation changes. However, the same survey also showed that the majority were unaware of what their new spa would be.

The point being that in 2004 there was still a deal of confusion about the 1995 changes 'by the majority' of those impacted.

The common response is 'they should have known' - however, one has to ask why the majority did not know what their new spa would be?

By the way, their 'ignorance' won't be the answer ....

Perhaps 'passiveness' is the answer


They knew something was going on, but decided to wait for somebody to tell them what it was, rather than being proactive and finding out for themselves what was happening.


When nobody wrote them a personal letter or knocked on their door, surely that was the time to take responsibility for themselves and find out how they were affected.


I don't think it's too much to ask for a grown adult to take some responsibility for their lives, rather than expect to be spoon fed everything

GibbsRule_No3

Until 2012, whenever my private pension provider sent me their yearly forecast they always included the State Pension forecast as well. The last one I received was 2011 where it tells me my retire ment age will be 64 and five months. The next year they included a letter saying this year (2012) they could not send me an SP forecast. This continued until this year when various things started appearing on websites I was visiting telling me how to get an updated SP forecast from the DWP themselves, which I did. Obviously it is now 65 and 9 months. My friend who is 64 tomorrow, has been receiving her SP for two years and I was only born two years later than her and have the forecast of 65+ I had planned on retiring after 45 years this year and supplementing my two years + before SP kicked in, which I could just about have done. There is no way I can supplement nearly four years. I feel I am keeping a younger person from employment by keeping me at work.

Figgerty

GibbsRule_No3 wrote: »

Until 2012, whenever my private pension provider sent me their yearly forecast they always included the State Pension forecast as well. The last one I received was 2011 where it tells me my retire ment age will be 64 and five months. The next year they included a letter saying this year (2012) they could not send me an SP forecast. This continued until this year when various things started appearing on websites I was visiting telling me how to get an updated SP forecast from the DWP themselves, which I did. Obviously it is now 65 and 9 months. My friend who is 64 tomorrow, has been receiving her SP for two years and I was only born two years later than her and have the forecast of 65+ I had planned on retiring after 45 years this year and supplementing my two years + before SP kicked in, which I could just about have done. There is no way I can supplement nearly four years. I feel I am keeping a younger person from employment by keeping me at work.

My friend was born in Dec 1952 and I in Dec 1953.
She received her state pension in Sept 2015
I have to wait until March 2019.

42 months difference is a very long time when you may have been making plans for retirement.

POPPYOSCAR

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ADJECTIVE

1. lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated:
   "he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid"synonyms: uneducated · unknowledgeable · untaught · unschooled · [URL="javascript:void(0);"][more][/URL]
   untutored · untrained · illiterate · unlettered · unlearned · unread · uninformed · unenlightened · unscholarly · unqualified · benighted · backward · inexperienced · unworldly · unsophisticated · unintelligent · stupid · simple · empty-headed · mindless · pig-ignorant · thick · airheaded · (as) thick as two short planks · dense · dumb · dim · dopey · wet behind the ears · slow on the uptake · dead from the neck up · a brick short of a load · two sandwiches short of a picnic · dozy · divvy · daft · not the full shilling · glaikit · chowderheaded · dumb-!!! · dotish · dof · hebete
   
   
   
   antonyms: educated · knowledgeable
   
   
   
   
   • lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular:
     "I was largely ignorant of the effects of radiotherapy"synonyms: without knowledge · unaware · unconscious · [URL="javascript:void(0);"][more][/URL]
     insensible · unfamiliar with · unacquainted with · unconversant with · inexperienced in · uninitiated in · blind to · oblivious to · naive about · innocent about · green about · a stranger to · uninformed about · unenlightened about · unschooled in · in the dark about · clueless about · not knowing the first thing about · not having the faintest about · nescient · strange to
     
     
     
     antonyms: knowledgeable about
     
     
   
   
   
2. informal
   
   discourteous or rude:
   "this ignorant, pin-brained receptionist"synonyms: rude · impolite · ill-mannered · bad-mannered · [URL="javascript:void(0);"][more][/URL]
   unmannerly · ungracious · discourteous · insensitive · uncivil · ill-humoured · surly · sullen · boorish · oafish · loutish · crude · coarse · vulgar · gross
   
   
   
   antonyms: polite
   
   
   
   
3. W. INDIAN
   
   easily angered:
   "I is an ignorant man—even police don't meddle with me"
   

ORIGIN


late Middle English: via Old French from Latin ignorant- ‘not knowing’, from the verb ignorare (see ignore).


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Nick_C

saver861 wrote: »

That is not the correct approach to the argument.

The government has to balance the budget according to need.

The fair approach to pension inequality would have been to immediately reduce the SPA for men to 60 in 1995. But that would have been unaffordable. Just as extending the inequality beyond the current 25 year phasing period is also unaffordable.

The key to a balanced budget (which we haven't had for the last 14 years) is to take account of both what services it is desirable to provide and the ability to raise the funds to pay for them.

Nick_C

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."

jem16

mumps wrote: »

I know women teachers get equal pay, two of my kids are teachers. The thing that has always fascinated me is in primary schools the vast majority of teachers seem to be women, at least that has always been my experience with my children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews and friends children but so many have a male head. Have I just experienced a biased sample or is that really the case? If it is true do you think it is down to discrimination or something else?

As a female Primary teacher with 37 years experience, it is indeed true that most Primary teachers are female and years ago it certainly was the case that there was a male headteacher. This was simply because male teachers found it easier to be promoted in Primary than Secondary as many female teachers simply weren't interested in management - they wanted to actually teach children.

Nowadays it's more female headteachers.

Pay was exactly the same for male and female for all my teaching career.

missbiggles1

Figgerty wrote: »

Look back at my previous posts and you will see. I am tired repeating myself.

It is up to the Government to work out the finances. They were happy to save £billions with these additional changes and make more £billions from additional tax & NI from this group working longer, they now need to give it back.

I know that there'll be additional NICs coming in from raising the SPA but people would still be paying tax on their pensions if they'd retired earlier, that wouldn't have stopped. In addition, presumably more people will be claiming working age benefits like JSA after the rise. I doubt that there's that much to give back, even if that were desirable.