Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

Seabee42

So even if your a 40% tax payer you go from paying your own NI to receiving a net 60% from the government never mind the silly things like winter fuel allowance and free travel and cannot see the almighty costs?

mgdavid

Figgerty wrote: »

You are now showing your lack of knowledge or perhaps ignorance.

Are you aware of the fight for equal pay and just how long women had to wait to receive that pay. If you were a professional person you received equal pay quite quickly but unskilled workers had to wait a lot longer. Perhaps there is a woman teacher on here who can enlighten us as to when they received equal pay with their male counterpart.

If you think I am lying then I'm not going to waste any more time trying to convince you otherwise.

You'd have a great deal more credibility and sympathy if you even tried to give a straight answer to a straight question.
You said the WASPI women were all on low wages back then - prove it!

mgdavid

mumps wrote: »

I know women teachers get equal pay, two of my kids are teachers. The thing that has always fascinated me is in primary schools the vast majority of teachers seem to be women, at least that has always been my experience with my children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews and friends children but so many have a male head. Have I just experienced a biased sample or is that really the case? If it is true do you think it is down to discrimination or something else?

I went to a Catholic primary and was taught by nuns, the head was a nun so obviously female but other than that I can only think of one female head at a primary school I have come into contact with.
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just for balance - I was at state primary in the late fifties, the Head was female, Miss Field was her name, and jolly good she was, too. There were also two male teachers on the staff so it wasn't a case of selecting a woman head by default either.

Figgerty

mumps wrote: »

I know women teachers get equal pay, two of my kids are teachers. The thing that has always fascinated me is in primary schools the vast majority of teachers seem to be women, at least that has always been my experience with my children, grandchildren, nieces, nephews and friends children but so many have a male head. Have I just experienced a biased sample or is that really the case? If it is true do you think it is down to discrimination or something else?

I went to a Catholic primary and was taught by nuns, the head was a nun so obviously female but other than that I can only think of one female head at a primary school I have come into contact with.

To answer Figgerty's question I was born in late 1953 so affected by both 1995 and 2011 changes. I agree with the 1995 changes but think the 2011 changes didn't give enough notice and a 12 month increase in retirement age shouldn't mean some people have their retirement age increased by 18 months. I left school at 15 with no qualification but later attended the local poly as a mature student. I attended part-time as I had a full-time job and two young children.

Before the Equal Pay Act, women were usually in the lower paid jobs and that is probably why you saw so any women primary school teachers, the men had the better paid teaching jobs. Things have changed a lot since then but I'm sure there is still inequality in some professions.

Like you, I was born in December 1953 and accept the first changes under the 1995 Act. The additional increase of 18 months under the 2011 Act is unfair. Those already effected under the 1995 Act had their state pension age increased once more, without fair notice. That is the crux of my complaint.

Nick_C

Figgerty wrote: »

Before the Equal Pay Act, women were usually in the lower paid jobs and that is probably why you saw so any women primary school teachers, the men had the better paid teaching jobs. Things have changed a lot since then but I'm sure there is still inequality in some professions.

Men still tend to have the better paid jobs. That is one reason why average pay for women is less than average pay for men. Women have equality of opportunity, but tend to put their family before their career.

POPPYOSCAR

Nick_C wrote: »

Men still tend to have the better paid jobs. That is one reason why average pay for women is less than average pay for men. Women have equality of opportunity, but tend to put their family before their career.

If you truly believe that you are very naive.

Figgerty

mgdavid wrote: »

You'd have a great deal more credibility and sympathy if you even tried to give a straight answer to a straight question.
You said the WASPI women were all on low wages back then - prove it!

I am not looking for sympathy and don't try spinning what I say in that way. If you don't believe me then don't bother reading or replying to my posts.

Apart from knowing that poorly educated women were in low paid jobs and working with many of them I can't prove it. Can you prove they were not? I have heard the history of many of the #Waspi women and many have the same educational background & job history as me.

Nick_C

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

If you truly believe that you are very naive.

And if you truly don't believe that then you have a huge inferiority complex.

But lets avoid making personal comments while expressing our diverse opinions shall we?

Figgerty

Nick_C wrote: »

Men still tend to have the better paid jobs. That is one reason why average pay for women is less than average pay for men. Women have equality of opportunity, but tend to put their family before their career.

This is still true. Women take time out to have children and generally only get back into work when they can manage to arrange and pay for childcare. Is there an equal number of mums and dads at the school gates, morning and evening. If so, perhaps we have achieved equality with men.

Nick_C

Taking career breaks to raise a family is certainly part of it. But women who combine jobs with raising a family will usually put the family first, turning down well paid jobs that require working long hours and anti social hours for example.

Re my comment that PO took exception to, perhaps this would have been better expressed as "women have a legal right to equality of opportunity". I accept that unlawful discrimination takes place.