Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

Pollycat

Pollycat wrote: »

We've been through this discussion several pages back.

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

ig¦nor|ant
ADJECTIVE

1. lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated:
   "he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid"synonyms: uneducated · unknowledgeable · untaught · unschooled · [URL="javascript:void(0);"][more][/URL]
   untutored · untrained · illiterate · unlettered · unlearned · unread · uninformed · unenlightened · unscholarly · unqualified · benighted · backward · inexperienced · unworldly · unsophisticated · unintelligent · stupid · simple · empty-headed · mindless · pig-ignorant · thick · airheaded · (as) thick as two short planks · dense · dumb · dim · dopey · wet behind the ears · slow on the uptake · dead from the neck up · a brick short of a load · two sandwiches short of a picnic · dozy · divvy · daft · not the full shilling · glaikit · chowderheaded · dumb-!!! · dotish · dof · hebete
   
   
   
   antonyms: educated · knowledgeable
   
   
   
   
   • lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular:
     "I was largely ignorant of the effects of radiotherapy"synonyms: without knowledge · unaware · unconscious · [URL="javascript:void(0);"][more][/URL]
     insensible · unfamiliar with · unacquainted with · unconversant with · inexperienced in · uninitiated in · blind to · oblivious to · naive about · innocent about · green about · a stranger to · uninformed about · unenlightened about · unschooled in · in the dark about · clueless about · not knowing the first thing about · not having the faintest about · nescient · strange to
     
     
     
     antonyms: knowledgeable about
     
     
   
   
   
2. informal
   
   discourteous or rude:
   "this ignorant, pin-brained receptionist"synonyms: rude · impolite · ill-mannered · bad-mannered · [URL="javascript:void(0);"][more][/URL]
   unmannerly · ungracious · discourteous · insensitive · uncivil · ill-humoured · surly · sullen · boorish · oafish · loutish · crude · coarse · vulgar · gross
   
   
   
   antonyms: polite
   
   
   
   
3. W. INDIAN
   
   easily angered:
   "I is an ignorant man—even police don't meddle with me"
   

ORIGIN


late Middle English: via Old French from Latin ignorant- ‘not knowing’, from the verb ignorare (see ignore).


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Lordy! Lordy!
How many times is it necessary to go through the definition of the word 'ignorant'?

Figgerty

If you present a petition to Parliament and you are invited to attend the debate then you should be told of any restrictions. Just like if I invite you to my home for lunch I should have the courtesy of warning you of the strict parking restrictions.

colsten

I believe Helen Jones MP will be leading the debate resulting from the WASPI petition on Monday. I will look out for her declaring her personal interest in the matter, and to her declaration that she is free of any bias.

Figgerty

Pollycat wrote: »

Pollycat wrote: »

We've been through this discussion several pages back.

Lordy! Lordy!
How many times is it necessary to go through the definition of the word 'ignorant'?

Perhaps we should move on to effect and affect as I'm always hesitant in their use.

Figgerty

colsten wrote: »

I believe Helen Jones MP will be leading the debate resulting from the WASPI petition on Monday. I will look out for her declaring her personal interest in the matter, and to her declaration that she is free of any bias.

Details as of 28.01.2016

Helen Jones was elected as Chair of the Petitions Committee on Wednesday 17 June 2015.

The remaining members of the Committee will be nominated by the House in the coming weeks.

Member Party

Helen Jones (Chair)Labour
Ian BlackfordScottish National Party
Steve DoubleConservative
Jim DowdLabour
Oliver DowdenConservative
Paul FlynnLabour
Ben HowlettConservative
Mr Nick HurdConservative
David MackintoshConservative
Kate OsamorLabour (Co-op)
Paul ScullyConservative

Helen Jones is the permanent chair so she would be chair for this. No gerrymandering in her case.

You seem to be unaware of the make up of the committee. There is lots of scope for bias on this petition discussion. How many men? How many conservatives. I don't know their ages so can't comment on that.

colsten

There has been a major outcry about MPs being allowed to vote on their own salary - and that's been stopped now. Should they be allowed to vote on their pension entitlements, any more than you or I are allowed to vote on them? Mind you, the Monday session won't end up in a vote, anyway.

whiteslice

Goldiegirl wrote: »

To be honest, I'm not surprised that you feel a bit confused.
The WASPI petition calls for 'fair transitional arrangements', yet they are hazy on what transitional arrangements they would call fair.
However, if you look at the WASPI Facebook page, a place where you'd hope to find this information, they are actually asking for something completely different
So their real 'ask' is nothing to do with transitional arrangements - it's effectively asking for the state pension age to be returned to 60 for women born in the 50's!
As to the question about what is fair and what isn't - I think that is something which is down to individual perception.
If you were a person who had been paying AVC's for years, 5 years notice of an 18 month change to your SPA would more than likely be manageable.
But if a person knew nothing about the changes, or, most likely, knew but did nothing - it is possible that they'd think they had a change from 60 to 66 with no notice at all.
I think the point is, the majority had the information, but didn't take any action, whatever notice period they had!
As for the petition, I'd suggest reading this thread and several like it, read the WASPI Facebook page, and try some of the blogs - Frances Coppola is particularly sensible!

This was actually very helpful. I've read Coppola's post as well, which definitely shed light on the matter. Or rather, shed light on the fact that the movement is in fact a cluster of disparate groups, and when there are no shared terms of reference, the discussion is mere cacophony.

I don't imagine that the equalizing of retirement ages for men and women can actually be stopped/reversed - presumably, it would be in breach of both local and EU equality legislation. Then beyond that...holy cow give them strength to untangle the mess.

Figgerty

colsten wrote: »

There has been a major outcry about MPs being allowed to vote on their own salary - and that's been stopped now. Should they be allowed to vote on their pension entitlements, any more than you or I are allowed to vote on them? Mind you, the Monday session won't end up in a vote, anyway.

Every MP should be allowed to vote on the state pension in the same way as they are allowed to vote for or against any legislation, even if they are effected by it. Voting on their own salaries and parliamentary pensions is a completely different matter and would be wrong.

You didn't have anything to say about the the majority of conservative males on the committee. Did that not fit your agenda?

colsten

Figgerty wrote: »

Every MP should be allowed to vote on the state pension in the same way as they are allowed to vote for or against any legislation, even if they are effected by it. Voting on their own salaries and parliamentary pensions is a completely different matter and would be wrong.

You didn't have anything to say about the the majority of conservative males on the committee. Did that not fit your agenda?

I don't think anyone who has an obvious personal interest in any matter should vote on the matter unless the entire electorate, or the entire Parliament is given the opportunity to vote. As I said already, there won't be any vote on Monday, so it doesn't really matter. It will probably all go the "Ban Trump" petition way, like all unreasonable petitions do.

Pollycat

Figgerty wrote: »

Perhaps we should move on to effect and affect as I'm always hesitant in their use.

This is not - imho - the place to start educating people about the correct use of words nor grammar, punctuation or spelling.

Perhaps we should stick to the topic.