Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

missbiggles1

Figgerty wrote: »

You are now showing your lack of knowledge or perhaps ignorance.

Are you aware of the fight for equal pay and just how long women had to wait to receive that pay. If you were a professional person you received equal pay quite quickly but unskilled workers had to wait a lot longer. Perhaps there is a woman teacher on here who can enlighten us as to when they received equal pay with their male counterpart.

If you think I am lying then I'm not going to waste any more time trying to convince you otherwise.

That's irrelevant to the question of whether WASPI founders were working class women on low incomes. From what I've read, most of them either run their own small businesses or were SAHMs whose husbands earned enough for them to be able to choose that option.

xylophone

ttps://www.teachers.org.uk/node/8515

Re teachers' pay.

whiteslice

I feel a bit out of my depth, and so not sure where to stand in relation to the petition.


I agree to the change itself, and think it mad to do otherwise. This issue highlights how equality is not just about getting paid more, sometimes equality can be less convenient than that, and I think it's useful. That discussion had to be had at some point.

Where I am confused is whether the transitional arrangements are fair. From what I understand, the minimum notice that anyone is going to get is 5 years. What preparations would one undertake under such circumstances? I can imagine one would pay in more AVCs, as everyone rushes to do in the last years. For that 5 years is plenty, and if there are concerns, AVCs should be paid throughout, not just when you near your retirement. But I must be missing the point, there must be something else - what is it?

colsten

Figgerty wrote: »

You are now showing your lack of knowledge or perhaps ignorance.

OK, I'll ask the question in another way: which one of the 5 founder members of WASPI is/was on low wages?

Pollycat

missbiggles1 wrote: »

That was the only meaning that existed when we were young - using it as an insult or a synonym of rude is quite recent and something people have picked up from younger people in reality programmes and soaps.:D

Which is why the definition 'lacking knowledge' is shown as #1 in dictionaries and the meaning known by Figgerty is shown as #2:

Origin of the word:

Late Middle English: via Old French from Latin ignorant- 'not knowing', from the verb ignorare

Goldiegirl wrote: »

I've made no secret of my age on this thread


But I'll repeat it here, just so you know.


I was born in March 1960. I'm in the group whose pension age is rising to 66 ( although WASPI can't quite grasp that it's not only women born in the 1950's who are affected)


I started work at 16, so no further education for me.


We got our first computer in 1990, as we could see that the future would be computer based. We taught ourselves how to use it - it wasn't necessary to be in education to learn something new


I worked in banks for my entire working life. I started off as a cashier, and in the mid 80's moved to mortgage administration, for the majority of the rest of my career. It was not a customer facing role, and I never sold or gave advice, so I didn't NEED to know about the increase in the SP age in order to do my job


I learnt about the increases in the SP age from the news on TV and by reading the papers.


I don't doubt that there may be a very small minority of women who didn't know about the changes.


But the vast majority has at least some idea there's been changes, but, for whatever reason have chosen not to act on the changes, or have 'forgotten ' about them.


But, age, educational background and lack of internet access is not an excuse not to know

Actually, I'm pretty similar to Goldiegirl but born late 1953 so also affected by both 1995 & 2011 changes.

I too left school (Grammar school after passing 11 plus) at 16 after taking my O levels.

I worked for a large national organisation in an admin type job.
I too did not work in a customer-facing job, although I did work in pensions - but it was occupational pensions for the staff - not state pensions so knowledge of changes to SPA for women was not a prerequisite for my job.

By the time the 1995 changes were put into effect, I was in an IT role within the same organisation.

Goldiegirl

Figgerty wrote: »

I'm sure there were some women born in 1953 who also went to university but I don't know of any, perhaps because I'm not from the right class. The women who started the #Waspi campaign were on low wages, not minimum wage because it did not exist back then. University educated women would have had a completely different experience,. Being unaware or uneducated does not make anyone 'ignorant' in my view. You may view it as ignorant though.

It's nothing to do with class!


I'm from a working class background - so working class that we didn't even have an inside toilet until I was 13 ! :rotfl:



I didn't even have a grammar school education - the 11 plus was done away with the year I was due to take it, so I went to a comprehensive school.


But, even so, most of my contemporaries either went on to some sort of further education or university. Those of us who decided to leave at 16 started career jobs like banking or nursing.


So, being the wrong class is not a reason not to educate yourself

missbiggles1

colsten wrote: »

even though I am one of those "hardest hit", I don't actually agree that the 2011 changes were unfair. Damned annoying may be, but not unfair. The changes apply equally to men and women, nobody had more than 18 months added to their SPA, and everyone had at least 6 years notice.


That's one of the inconsistent things about the WASPI campaign. They say that they don't disagree with pension equalisation, that they don't want want to undo the 1995 Pension Act, and that they aren't asking for the SPA to be returned to age 60. But at the same time they are asking that literally all 1950s women should be treated as if they were born before 1950, i.e. they should get their state pension from age 60. This isn't "smart talking" by WASPI, it's actually using totally misleading language, and it's insulting the intelligence of thinking people. WASPI are for equality as long as they themselves don't need to be equal. They care about nobody but themselves. They are a bunch of greedy and utterly unreasonable activists.

Actually, not literally - their Facebook page specifically says "born on or after 6th April 1951" so women born between 6/4/50 and 6/4/51 (who were affected by the 1995 changes, me included) seem to have done something to upset them!:rotfl:

Al.

Figgerty wrote: »

Those of you doubting that women of 60 may not have been aware of the state pension age changes should declare their age and the general type of job you do. If you are an IFA or worked in Pensions then of course you would know. It was your job to know. If you do not have that type of background and left education since 2000ish they you would have had benefit of the internet and known how to use it.

Lastly, if you went to University or Polytechnic, then you benefited from a longer education and Government funding of this education. So why then are you begrudging the 1950's women fairness in their pension. Most of them started work at age 16 and have worked over 45 years. A lot are in menial jobs at meagre wages.

At the time of those revisions, I was serving in Germany, I had a very young family - at the time, three toddlers, and I was holding down two part time jobs on top of my work, and other overseas deployments. You don't need to be directly involved in financial services, or be a woman in her forties at the time, to actually know what is going on. It's called 'staying informed'. If I got arrested for using my mobile phone for driving, could I plead the fact that my local constabulary didn't write to me about it?

Al.

xylophone wrote: »

Trust me on this - if by

An IFA would have appraised them (twenty years ago) of the facts.

you mean "An IFA would have informed them of the facts." the word you want is "apprised".:)

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/appraise-or-apprise

Some additional information here about "apprize"

http://grammarist.com/usage/appraise-apprise/

:T. You win.

Nick_C

Figgerty wrote: »

Perhaps there is a woman teacher on here who can enlighten us as to when they received equal pay with their male counterpart.

I'm neither a woman nor a teacher, but it was 1956.

Equal pay for women only became compulsory in 1975.