Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

p00hsticks

Figgerty wrote: »

I'm sure there were some women born in 1953 who also went to university but I don't know of any, perhaps because I'm not from the right class.

I come from a working class background and was the first from either side of my family to go to university.

One of the great things about being born in the '50s and 60's is that there was no such thing as the "right class" that you had to belong to to get a really good education. State Grammar schools (often single sex) were available to all who passed the 11 plus exam, and grants (not loans) were paid to those who subsequent gained a place at university.

Most of the girls who I went to (single sex grammar) school with came from working or lower middle class backgrounds, and either went on to some sort of further/higher education or onto the bottom rung of a career job such as teaching , banking, nursing etc.

It's clear that whatever anyone says to you, you are not going to change your mind on this subject, so I'm bowing out now.

colsten

missbiggles1 wrote: »

That certainly isn't what I've read.

Neither have I. Perhaps Figgerty can explain how the women who started the #Waspi campaign were on low wages?

Figgerty

colsten wrote: »

This may be so, but you don't really need to have any specialist pension knowledge in order to figure out what your state pension age is, and roughly how much money you would get. You could, for instance, have walked into your local CAB and asked them. Or picked up the phone to call the CAB or the DWP (or the DSS before then). Or typed "UK pension" into a Google search. And we have covered the newspapers, radio and TV earlier.

Nobody will be able to prove that women did know, but equally, no one single woman can prove that she did not know. Ignorance of the law is no defense.

Yes.

Did/do you work in an area where financial advise is given?
What age did you finish school?

Goldiegirl

Figgerty wrote: »

Those of you doubting that women of 60 may not have been aware of the state pension age changes should declare their age and the general type of job you do. If you are an IFA or worked in Pensions then of course you would know. It was your job to know. If you do not have that type of background and left education since 2000ish they you would have had benefit of the internet and known how to use it.

Lastly, if you went to University or Polytechnic, then you benefited from a longer education and Government funding of this education. So why then are you begrudging the 1950's women fairness in their pension. Most of them started work at age 16 and have worked over 45 years. A lot are in menial jobs at meagre wages.

I've made no secret of my age on this thread


But I'll repeat it here, just so you know.


I was born in March 1960. I'm in the group whose pension age is rising to 66 ( although WASPI can't quite grasp that it's not only women born in the 1950's who are affected)


I started work at 16, so no further education for me.


We got our first computer in 1990, as we could see that the future would be computer based. We taught ourselves how to use it - it wasn't necessary to be in education to learn something new


I worked in banks for my entire working life. I started off as a cashier, and in the mid 80's moved to mortgage administration, for the majority of the rest of my career. It was not a customer facing role, and I never sold or gave advice, so I didn't NEED to know about the increase in the SP age in order to do my job


I learnt about the increases in the SP age from the news on TV and by reading the papers.


I don't doubt that there may be a very small minority of women who didn't know about the changes.


But the vast majority has at least some idea there's been changes, but, for whatever reason have chosen not to act on the changes, or have 'forgotten ' about them.


But, age, educational background and lack of internet access is not an excuse not to know

Figgerty

colsten wrote: »

Neither have I. Perhaps Figgerty can explain how the women who started the #Waspi campaign were on low wages?

You are now showing your lack of knowledge or perhaps ignorance.

Are you aware of the fight for equal pay and just how long women had to wait to receive that pay. If you were a professional person you received equal pay quite quickly but unskilled workers had to wait a lot longer. Perhaps there is a woman teacher on here who can enlighten us as to when they received equal pay with their male counterpart.

If you think I am lying then I'm not going to waste any more time trying to convince you otherwise.

missbiggles1

Figgerty wrote: »

I would never use the word ignorant in that context but I'm sure that is because I'm lacking in knowledge. I admit that lack of knowledge, but I left school at 16, you were probably still in university at 21 or over.

That was the only meaning that existed when we were young - using it as an insult or a synonym of rude is quite recent and something people have picked up from younger people in reality programmes and soaps.:D

missbiggles1

p00hsticks wrote: »

I come from a working class background and was the first from either side of my family to go to university.

One of the great things about being born in the '50s and 60's is that there was no such thing as the "right class" that you had to belong to to get a really good education. State Grammar schools (often single sex) were available to all who passed the 11 plus exam, and grants (not loans) were paid to those who subsequent gained a place at university.

Most of the girls who I went to (single sex grammar) school with came from working or lower middle class backgrounds, and either went on to some sort of further/higher education or onto the bottom rung of a career job such as teaching , banking, nursing etc.

It's clear that whatever anyone says to you, you are not going to change your mind on this subject, so I'm bowing out now.

You've saved me from writing an identical post - thanks.:)

colsten

saver861 wrote: »

Many on here do think the 2011 changes are unfair thus my question to them as to what can people to attempt to persuade some concessions.

even though I am one of those "hardest hit", I don't actually agree that the 2011 changes were unfair. Damned annoying may be, but not unfair. The changes apply equally to men and women, nobody had more than 18 months added to their SPA, and everyone had at least 6 years notice.

saver861 wrote: »

The equalisation is wholly correct and I don't think anybody has said its not.

That's one of the inconsistent things about the WASPI campaign. They say that they don't disagree with pension equalisation, that they don't want want to undo the 1995 Pension Act, and that they aren't asking for the SPA to be returned to age 60. But at the same time they are asking that literally all 1950s women should be treated as if they were born before 1950, i.e. they should get their state pension from age 60. This isn't "smart talking" by WASPI, it's actually using totally misleading language, and it's insulting the intelligence of thinking people. WASPI are for equality as long as they themselves don't need to be equal. They care about nobody but themselves. They are a bunch of greedy and utterly unreasonable activists.

Goldiegirl

p00hsticks wrote: »

I'm 56 in a couple of weeks so have been affected by the rise in my SPA from 60 to 66 (although having been born six weeks into 1960, WASPI seem to think I can go hang..). I've spent most of my life working in the IT industry - I went to University (as did plenty of women of my age) with funding provided as grants instead of loans, so considerably better off in that respect than the young people who will be paying for my State Pension when I get it.

My work involves working with the public sector, and many of the people I work with there are women in their 50's with good full time careers and final salary pensions that they'll be able to take without deductions at the age of 60.

So please don't stereotype all women born in the 1950s all either as ignorant people on minimum wage who just spend our lives watching Corrie and talking about shoes, and/or selfless Florence Nightingales who were so busy raising perfect children and caring for the elderly that we never had time to read a newspaper....

I was perfectly aware of the changes and how they affected me when they came in from watching the news on TV. I have some sympathy for the 1953-54 women and would like to see something in place to ensure that those put in hardship by the acellerated 2011 changes are helped, but I believe that the rise in SPA is the correct thing to do and don't support WASPI's demands. And I've written to my MP to say so.

This is one of the most disappointing aspects of the entire WASPI campaign, the portrayal of 1950's women, as being empty headed, powerless and subservient. It'd be bad enough if men were promoting this view, but it's actually women themselves who are promulgating this myth.


There may be a minority of women in this unfortunate situation, but many more are leading full and interesting lives

colsten

Figgerty wrote: »

Yes.

Did/do you work in an area where financial advise is given?
What age did you finish school?

You are awfully nosey......no, I did not ever work in an area where financial advice is given. I started work straight after school.