How am I supposed to find a job when everyone asks for experience?

xapprenticex

voluntary work is your only option here sir.

I will assume you ruled out volunteering because you believed you couldn't claim JSA and volunteer (at a charity) at the same time. Well I hope that was the reason why.

I reckon WorkProgramme would be good for you because at least they will get you on some basic courses and make sure you get some work experience.

sangie595

xapprenticex wrote: »

voluntary work is your only option here sir.

I will assume you ruled out volunteering because you believed you couldn't claim JSA and volunteer (at a charity) at the same time. Well I hope that was the reason why.

I reckon WorkProgramme would be good for you because at least they will get you on some basic courses and make sure you get some work experience.

You did read the previous posts? The OP never thought they couldn't volunteer and claim JSA - they didn't volunteer because they couldn't be bothered. Despite many people suggesting it.

And they had a six week programme with enhanced job search offered - they quit in the second week.

The OP is in their mid-twenties, has worked for an entire seven months in their entire working life, and wouldn't like to explain why that is or what they did for the rest of the time. Really, but is that someone you would want to employ? The OP needs a reality check - suggestions based on what they don't want to do or won't do are meaningless without some actual explanations about why they haven't had work in years and what they were doing. Being out of work doesn't mean you are unemployable - but there are skills and skills. People doing other work, caring or volunteering have transferable skills that are valuable.; People locked up at HMP may not. But absolutely nobody has done absolutely nothing. And anyone that desperate would offer something to work with.

pathtofreedom

I'd also say it is worth looking into volunteering along side education. It might not take long to find something to build on then, but it shows you can get to places on time and are a self starter and can plan your time and learn independently. Even if it is part time for a few months in a charity shop, that could lead to a paid job in a shop, then onto something else.

An apprenticeship as well might work, how old are you as that might help open doors to things like princes trust who might be able to help.

http://www.notgoingtouni.co.uk/

https://www.vision2learn.net

http://coursera.org/ - ignore the paid for certificate, but if you can do some courses you're interested in, even if it isn't directly related to a job it shows you can do work to deadlines etc.

Linkedin is also worth signing up to, as it is a good networking tool and recruiters use it as well. You might see then if people you know have jobs going, and as they know you they might be able to put in a good word to get you in.

pathtofreedom

looks like there are some jobs going at meadowhall as well, might be worth keeping an eye on here as well.

https://www.meadowhall.co.uk/vacancies

controversy

User_Name1 wrote: »

Every job asks for experience examples of entry level jobs that I am looking for atm are:

Warehouse jobs / they need experience a FLT licence and a driving license which I don't have. Plus I am not that strong and would struggle to lift heavy stuff

Call centres some need experience some don't but failed a couple of interviews because other people were too loud in the group assessments. I am a very reserved person and due to being on JSA I hardly have enough money to go out so my social skills are non existent.

Admin jobs - I tried several times, but never get called for an interview. I tried school admin jobs as they are recruiting a lot but they always require you to have SIMS experience which I don't seem to have.

Cleaning jobs - Applied to lots of cleaning jobs registered with cleaning agencies but they are so picky now that they want me to have 1 years worth of experience.

I need a job so badly.

I am from Rotherham in South Yorkshire if that helps

I feel for you. Your in a similar position as myself.

First thing I would say is your wasting your time by writing to businesses and joining the rat race. You need to realize that people will only employ you if they can get a big enough return on your labor.

I'd say you have a few options.

1. Go and find a volunteer position before the job center put you on workfare. Don't think they won't because they will. At least with a chosen job location you become the master of your own destiny with your commute to work. Most people on workfare end up having to spend a huge chunk of their JSA on travel costs.

2. Work at apprentice wage level which is £3.30 a hour. Tell the employer you will sign a apprentice contract on the basis that the contract includes more than 50 hours a week of work. This will get you 1 years experience and then your employer will be obliged to pay you the national living wage if he/she doesn't have a good reason to sack you.

3. Start mapping out caravan and camping sites across the country which have bathroom & laundry facilities. Get a van which you can converted into a Motorhome. Do it up then travel from A to B to C looking for work. Once you get a good wage then you can look into renting or buying a flat.

Note: You can do this with occupying a rented property but it creates problems since you have tenancy agreement and the whole multitude of bills to cope with.

4. Become the master of your own destiny by offering services directly to the customer. The Traveller community have been doing this for years and they are the best at it. People think Gypsies are scum and 2nd rate citizens but that is just the ignorance of most people. The main Traveller clans which mainly originate from Ireland are some of the most polite & industrialist people you will ever meet in the British Isles & Ireland.

A friend in the US made a good video about offering personalized services. Check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_aVWAh59ow

sangie595

controversy wrote: »

I feel for you. Your in a similar position as myself.

First thing I would say is your wasting your time by writing to businesses and joining the rat race. You need to realize that people will only employ you if they can get a big enough return on your labor.

I'd say you have a few options.

1. Go and find a volunteer position before the job center put you on workfare. Don't think they won't because they will. At least with a chosen job location you become the master of your own destiny with your commute to work. Most people on workfare end up having to spend a huge chunk of their JSA on travel costs. The OP has been unemployed fro seven years or so. If they haven't been caught by the work programme so far there's a reason - which they are not sharing with us. They did have a chance at a six week programme with enhanced job search support - they quit it in the second week.

2. Work at apprentice wage level which is £3.30 a hour. Tell the employer you will sign a apprentice contract on the basis that the contract includes more than 50 hours a week of work. This will get you 1 years experience and then your employer will be obliged to pay you the national living wage if he/she doesn't have a good reason to sack you. Just trying to work out how this works whilst there is no employment protection for two years, and apprentices are only able to claim apprentice wages.

3. Start mapping out caravan and camping sites across the country which have bathroom & laundry facilities. Get a van which you can converted into a Motorhome. Do it up then travel from A to B to C looking for work. Once you get a good wage then you can look into renting or buying a flat. Get a van and convert it into a motorhome, then stays on sites which cost money - with no income?

Note: You can do this with occupying a rented property but it creates problems since you have tenancy agreement and the whole multitude of bills to cope with.

4. Become the master of your own destiny by offering services directly to the customer. The Traveller community have been doing this for years and they are the best at it. People think Gypsies are scum and 2nd rate citizens but that is just the ignorance of most people. The main Traveller clans which mainly originate from Ireland are some of the most polite & industrialist people you will ever meet in the British Isles & Ireland.Travellers and Gypsies are not even remotely the same people. Both are mostly industrious and have a poor reputation as a result of bigotry. But they also have long established routes and employments which have passed on from generation to generation. It isn't quite that easy to just hop on the back of this and do your own thing.

A friend in the US made a good video about offering personalized services. Check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_aVWAh59ow

BTW - the OP will really struggle driving a motorhome from site to site - without a driving licence. They've also made it clear that they can't/won't be able to do manual work, and they don't really get on with people. It doesn't leave a lot of options left, does it?

Flyonthewall

controversy wrote: »

1. Go and find a volunteer position before the job center put you on workfare. Don't think they won't because they will. At least with a chosen job location you become the master of your own destiny with your commute to work. Most people on workfare end up having to spend a huge chunk of their JSA on travel costs.

I agree, but they should pay your travel costs (up to a certain amount at least) for workfare.

2. Work at apprentice wage level which is £3.30 a hour. Tell the employer you will sign a apprentice contract on the basis that the contract includes more than 50 hours a week of work. This will get you 1 years experience and then your employer will be obliged to pay you the national living wage if he/she doesn't have a good reason to sack you.

Apprenticeships are usually full time anyway. They have to be at least 30 hours. You won't get far ordering an employer around though, especially as an apprentice! Competition is high for them, they will be quite happy to kick you out the door and get some grateful for the opportunity to work on their terms!

Some employers pay above the apprenticeship wage anyway.

3. Start mapping out caravan and camping sites across the country which have bathroom & laundry facilities. Get a van which you can converted into a Motorhome. Do it up then travel from A to B to C looking for work. Once you get a good wage then you can look into renting or buying a flat.

Would it not be far cheaper just to buy an old motorhome? Quicker too.

Not all caravan sites are that cheap and you'll have vehicle costs (tax, mot, insurance, fuel, wear and tear). Certainly requires research otherwise you could nd up paying out stupidly large amounts and still having no job.

Plus, you still need to sign on and you couldn't go too far in case you need to go for an interview. Although if they send a letter you need to be able to receive it and they can't send it to a van.

In theory it has some good points - hit the road and see what you find. In reality I'd suggest you don't do that as it could cause many issues.

4. Become the master of your own destiny by offering services directly to the customer. The Traveller community have been doing this for years and they are the best at it. People think Gypsies are scum and 2nd rate citizens but that is just the ignorance of most people. The main Traveller clans which mainly originate from Ireland are some of the most polite & industrialist people you will ever meet in the British Isles & Ireland.

O maybe it's down to experience. We've had Gypsies where I live. They've broken into numerous fields including a school, left rubbish everywhere (and far worse that I don't want to think about and hope not to see again!) and have been trouble. They've done nothing of any benefit, just got in the way and been a massive pain.

No not all Gypsies are scum, but some are.

If OP has a service to offer then fair enough they have the option of self employment, but not sure having anything to do with travellers will help.

sangie595

Flyonthewall wrote: »

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O maybe it's down to experience. We've had Gypsies where I live. They've broken into numerous fields including a school, left rubbish everywhere (and far worse that I don't want to think about and hope not to see again!) and have been trouble. They've done nothing of any benefit, just got in the way and been a massive pain.

No not all Gypsies are scum, but some are.
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I don't want to distract the thread into a side line, but it isn't always that simple. I totally agree that some travellers can cause problems to local communities. But I can't let that pass without pointing out that almost NO councils provide the recommended number of sites for travelling people, and if you are left with nowhere to live, then you will live where you can. The same applies to homeless people, but they are less visible.

And my local council tried (after years of doing nothing) a novel idea. They didn't sanction illegal sites (and BTW - they are one of the councils who do not provide the required number of sites) but they DID decide to place waste disposal facilities on the sites until the occupation issues were resolved. The result was that the sites were clean and tidy. If you don't provide people in houses with waste disposal services, see how long the street takes to become a tip. Why would it be different if the "house" is mobile?

If people aren't treated like human beings, you can't be surprised if they don't act like them.

Flyonthewall

sangie595 wrote: »

I don't want to distract the thread into a side line, but it isn't always that simple. I totally agree that some travellers can cause problems to local communities. But I can't let that pass without pointing out that almost NO councils provide the recommended number of sites for travelling people, and if you are left with nowhere to live, then you will live where you can. The same applies to homeless people, but they are less visible.

And my local council tried (after years of doing nothing) a novel idea. They didn't sanction illegal sites (and BTW - they are one of the councils who do not provide the required number of sites) but they DID decide to place waste disposal facilities on the sites until the occupation issues were resolved. The result was that the sites were clean and tidy. If you don't provide people in houses with waste disposal services, see how long the street takes to become a tip. Why would it be different if the "house" is mobile?

If people aren't treated like human beings, you can't be surprised if they don't act like them.

I live in a village/small town. So no, the council don't provide sites but that's because the area isn't big enough to do so!

The nearest city has places for the homeless. Possibly places at nearby towns, never looked into it. No travel sites in the city that I know of, but I don't think they ever go to the city.

Still no excuse for leaving rubbish and worse around. They've stayed in areas with bins, they don't use them.

I think some have been known to steal too from nearby houses.

Council/land owners have had to block ways on to the land in various ways around here. There isn't anywhere suitable they could stay even if they were fine.

sangie595

There are suitable places to stay if they are provided. Every council has a legal obligation (which most ignore) to provide proper sites. If you live in a small village then the Council with the statutory duty must be bigger than your village - Councils simply aren't that small.

And I can't possibly think that people who live in houses are never known to steal from houses. Stealing is probably only something some travellers do.

Where travellers go is often dictated by centuries old migration patterns based on available work or business. Most of these are not new traditions. I used to live in a small village like you, and mostly everyone hated the two months the travellers came to town. Complained like mad, wanted them moved on, wouldn't agree to a site locally - but would have been majorly !!!!ed off if the harvest wasn't in! Who do you think did the harvesting? The local commuters from the village to their swanky offices in the city?

There is good and bad in any community, but you have to get to know people first before you can decide. A couple of years ago we had a refuse workers strike around here. You really should have seen just how filthy people living in houses could get. And more than a few people in houses don't need the excuse of a strike.