Two parking tickets for NPE

kris_d

Thank you coupon-mad, I google as suggested and it seems this is applies more to patients and visitors and less applicable in my situation given I was in the hospital accommodation.

Either way I have now emailed higher ups at the accommodation who will hopefully be more understanding and not wanting to take this further. I even offered to cover their "lost revenue".

On a side note I visited the NPE website and noticed this:

NPE Wins Multiple Court Cases
Over the last two or three years Private Parking Companies have had a lot of interest from certain internet websites who recommend that drivers ignore Parking Charge Notices.

This misinformation is now causing a number of these drivers’ further costs in the County Courts. NPE has, in 75% of recent court cases, been successful against drivers who choose to take legal advice from internet bloggers, and we have recently teamed up with a firm of Solicitors who specialise in recovering unpaid Parking Charge Notices.

We have noticed an increasing amount of generic responses from drivers who simply copy and paste a standard appeal from an online source. Our solicitors, however, are now providing responses which are proving to negate these attempts to have a Parking Charge Notice cancelled. Our success rate is down to the diligent way we record every detail of each PCN ever issued, and this enables us to supply the courts with an impressive amount of information, proving without question that our PCNs were issued correctly, and in line with the Terms and Conditions on the warning signage in the area where the ticket was issued.

We would also like to make drivers aware that we can take legal action against them up to a period of 6 years after the date of the original PCN issue. Unfortunately many drivers who ignored the first ticket they were issued (thinking it would go away) have subsequently been issued with a second ticket, which only strengthens the case for our Solicitors.

Is that all rubbish or do they actually mean business ? They do seem to have become better funded outfit recently, despite their shoddy emails to me.

Redx

kris_d wrote: »

I intend to put in a high level complaint but I have not been able to find Jeremy Hunt's autumn 2014 statement regarding the being trust jointly liable for the actions of its contractors. Can anyone kindly direct me to it please ?

never heard of google ? , or search boxes ?

here , read this for a start

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/jeremy-hunt-to-reform-hospital-parking-rules-9687040.html

as well as staff working shifts will also benefit from the shake-up, according to Jeremy Hunt.

The guidance sets out for the first time that hospital trusts are responsible for the actions of any privately contracted firms they use to run their car parking operations.

its even in the nurses own paper

http://www.nursingtimes.net/roles/nurse-managers/trusts-told-to-give-staff-some-parking-fee-concessions/5074141.fullarticle

with a link to

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles/nhs-patient-visitor-and-staff-car-parking-principles

Contracted-out car parking

NHS organisations are responsible for the actions of private contractors who run car parks on their behalf.

NHS organisations should act against rogue contractors in line with the relevant codes of practice6where applicable.

Contracts should not be let on any basis that incentivises additional charges, eg ‘income from parking charge notices only’.

Umkomaas

kris_d wrote: »

Thank you coupon-mad, I google as suggested and it seems this is applies more to patients and visitors and less applicable in my situation given I was in the hospital accommodation.

Either way I have now emailed higher ups at the accommodation who will hopefully be more understanding and not wanting to take this further. I even offered to cover their "lost revenue".

On a side note I visited the NPE website and noticed this:



Is that all rubbish or do they actually mean business ? They do seem to have become better funded outfit recently, despite their shoddy emails to me.

Well here's proof of NPE's [STRIKE]bluster about[/STRIKE] court activity over 2014 and 2015. Perhaps their newly found solicitors haven't quite got it right for them just yet!

Once more, a PPC statement that just does not stand up to scrutiny.

EDITED TO ADD: forgot to post the link - the trouble with posting at silly o'clock!

http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Norfolk_Parking_Enforcement.html

Redx

kris_d wrote: »

1) So all things considered I think Im going to go with a reply back to them stating I would like to appeal further with the Ombudsman Service or another neutral appealing body. Then I will avoid further contact with them.

2) If they send court papers then I guess I am going to have to cross that bridge at the time,

3) I just don't want bailiffs and the sort disturbing my family home.

4) I intend to put in a high level complaint but I have not been able to find Jeremy Hunt's autumn 2014 statement regarding the being trust jointly liable for the actions of its contractors.

5) Can anyone kindly direct me to it please ?

6) I have signed the Beavis petition, how has this not gotten 10,000 sign ups yet !

Cheers

kris_d wrote: »

7) Thank you coupon-mad, I google as suggested and it seems this is applies more to patients and visitors and less applicable in my situation given I was in the hospital accommodation.

8) Either way I have now emailed higher ups at the accommodation who will hopefully be more understanding and not wanting to take this further. I even offered to cover their "lost revenue".

9) On a side note I visited the NPE website and noticed this:

Is that all rubbish or do they actually mean business ? They do seem to have become better funded outfit recently, despite their shoddy emails to me.

1) good , it shows you are willing to settle this in a reasonable manner

2) I think you have good defence points to put in front of a judge, plus trusts dont usually like court proceedings

3) we dealt with the bailiffs issues on page 1, I definitely posted about it there

4) easy to google it and it was updated last october, before your pcn,s, so they cannot just stick their heads in the sand and pretend its been this way for the last 50 years, times change, they need to learn to change too, too many trusts fail in that respect as we see on the news regularly (then we get the public apologies and resignations)

5) links provided in my previous reply

6) excellent , we totally agree with you, especially when the "boss" of the NHS has to regularly react to this topic and did so again last october after MP,s had a pop at him once more which is why that "guidance" was updated

7) the trust is liable for its own failures and failing to fix problems by contractors, staff and patients are covered by his statements so they cannot find an excuse and say "nothing to do with us", use the words of their "boss" against them, failures to meet government edicts means they will ultimately fail

8) Good, keep the pressure on and always turn their words against them , with proof and reasonableness

9) we have already mentioned the following

NPE have changed name and gone to a different AOS called the IPC

the IPC is run by a solicitors called Gladstones

the IAS is run by a solicitors called Gladstones

2 solicitors run the firm called Gladstones

Gladstones have a shoddy reputation and prankster regularly blogs about them losing in court (or their clients do after Gladstones charge the clients for work)

red cow gang = Gladstones

Gladstones have been harassing people for years in this manner and found underhanded ways to further this with their alternative to the BPA and POPLA

NPE were losing all the time to popla

you may notice a familiar name amongst the above , who are not respected in this murky field, as arent a few other solicitors who also work in the murky areas of this business, like MIAH , WRIGHT HASSELL , TRETHOWANS , SMALLCLAIMSSOLICITORS and others

good luck , but keep pressurising that trust into a corner where they have no alternative but to cancel these charges

kris_d

Hello again everyone, not sure if this thread is still active but I've now received a letter from Debt recovery Plus detailing they now want me to pay £160. I have had good read throughout the internet and this forum and the general consensus seems to be to ignore. I have trust in this forum member's judgement and will continue to do so. I was hoping someone could advice me on two things please ?

1. Im worried about a CCJ as I'm looking to buy a home next year, will they actually go as far to put a CCJ on my name ?

2. They are sending letters to my old address, since then I have moved to a new rented property, will the tenants at old address have bailiffs come around as this really isn't fair on them ?

Thank you again for all your help with this frustrating issue, your advice definitely helps me sleep easier.

Umkomaas

Wow, you're in a wild panic! You're watching too much of The Sheriffs on Channel 5!

DRP can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than issue letters designed to intimidate - clearly having some effect on you right now.

Only the PPC or their solicitors can issue court proceedings. If (and a big 'If') they do that AND you lose at court AND the Judge awards costs against you AND you don't/fail to pay them in the required timescale, you will have an 'unsatisfied CCJ' against your name which can affect your credit rating.

If the PPC then decides to apply to the court for bailiff intervention and that is granted, only then might you have a knock on your door. As far as I'm aware, no PPC has ever gone to these lengths - and millions upon millions of private parking charges have been issued over the past decade. Why do you think you could be the first in private parking history, all for a couple of hundred quid?

You need to make arrangements for having your post redirected for a period of time (all post, not just for PPC-related stuff). But as the PPC has up to six years to pursue you, you need to head them off writing to your old address, because if court papers are issued, and you're blissfully unaware of them and therefore don't defend the case, you will definitely end up with a CCJ.

So you write to DRP formally telling them that any future communication must be made to your new address. Send that first class with a certificate of posting from the post office counter. Send a copy to the PPC for them to note their records.

Check back frequently with the new tenants if you don't get any DRP threatograms in the next six weeks (or so) to your new address, to determine if they've ignored your instructions.

Coupon-mad

Yep, relax but email DRPlus and give them your new address, and post a copy (keep a free cert of posting, NOT recorded delivery) to NPE who I think don't provide any email contact. DRPlus do:

info@drpl.co.uk

Make sure you quote both the DRPlus 'reference' AND the NPE 'PCN number' (they differ) and the VRN and your name and old address and (of course) the new address. All of it.

That way you can calmly receive the post from now on and check each letter is just another DRPlus or Zenith special...NO BIG DEAL.

Guys_Dad

Yes, the biggest danger now is that any court papers going to your old address, so it may be worth doing a maid redirect with the Post Office. Make sure you keep all reference to the change of address communication on file and also make sure that the PPC is informed as well, with proof of postage.

Any court action would be via the PPC and not the debt collectors and the PPC could sell on the debt to someone like MIL who would have no compunction about getting papers served on an old address and then getting a default judgement as you would have no knowledge of the court date. You would then be in £250 set aside territory.

kris_d

Hey good afternoon all, thank you again for your advice. All your advice really settled mine and my wife's nerves, possibly the worst thing to open on saturday morning. So as you guys have advised I will send them a letter detailing I do not currently live at that address and just pile up their endless letters I'm sure to receive. Im contract based so have a new address around every 3 months, which is going to be hassle. Could get it sent to my parents home but I wouldn't want them to worry over these threatening letters.

May also ask how many of these cases actually go to court and if they do how many are convicted. There is a small part of me that feels I should just pay the £320 in fines and save amassing £500+ in fines if this goes to court, as ridiculous as that sounds.

Cheers

pappa_golf

you do not owe £320 , debt collection + cannot add to the original figure the figure you do NOT owe "muppet and sons" is £200


I would just stir thing up a bit by writing/emailing thec accommodation woman and asking for her holiday dates , as she WILL be required to attend a court many many miles away from her home address (without travelling costs) , failure to attend will result in !!!!!!!! , !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! , all semi false but might just move her