Tesla Model X Ownership Costs?

gzoom

michaels wrote: »

So do we really think the Model 3 which looks to be at least 2 years away in the UK will be the first 'mass-market' 250 mile plus EV? I can't beleive other manufacturers aren't going down the EV route.

Crazy isn't it!!

But they are finally responding. Audi, Porsche, Jaguar have all confirmed their 'Tesla killers' are coming. But bare in mind cars take 5-10 years to go from concept to production.

Nissan can put a 60kWh, 200 mile+ range Leaf on the market within 12 months....But no one is going to pay £45-50K for a Nissan that looks like a slightly bigger Note.

EVs are 100% the future, add in the ability to generate your own electricity via solar panels, home battery storage to store power/recharge at off peak times, and it all becomes very exciting. I love the fact I'm not at the mercy of big oil companies when it come to refuelling my Leaf....A world that ISN'T dependent on oil....That would change the political landscape just a little bit

WellKnownSid

gzoom wrote: »

Crazy isn't it!!

But they are finally responding. Audi, Porsche, Jaguar have all confirmed their 'Tesla killers' are coming. But bare in mind cars take 5-10 years to go from concept to production.

Apparently there has been some bad publicity recently. It's somehow emerged that running your car on million year old fossils could be damaging to your share price, so with lightning speed manufacturers have responded by saying that electric vehicles are but decades away.

gzoom wrote: »

Nissan can put a 60kWh, 200 mile+ range Leaf on the market within 12 months....But no one is going to pay £45-50K for a Nissan that looks like a slightly bigger Note.

Be interesting to see what technology companies like Tesla / Apple / Google et al come up with in the next few years. I imagine, unless the traditional motor manufacturers completely reinvent themselves in the next five years, none of them will be around in ten.

gzoom wrote: »

EVs are 100% the future, add in the ability to generate your own electricity via solar panels, home battery storage to store power/recharge at off peak times, and it all becomes very exciting. I love the fact I'm not at the mercy of big oil companies when it come to refuelling my Leaf....A world that ISN'T dependent on oil....That would change the political landscape just a little bit

Indeed, with the right infrastructure electricity could be 100% free. Even for those that couldn't have solar or wind for whatever reason - if they signed up to powering part of the grid whenever their EV is plugged in at home, they could be topped up for free during off peak times.

Exciting times ahead...

almillar

if everybody went down the EV route, there won't be enough E to go around.

There will. In the UK at least, electric supply isn't the problem, PEAK supply is the problem. There's STACKS of capacity overnight, so if these cars were charged overnight, it would even out electrical requirements. Shutting down and starting up power plants is very inefficient and the National Grida wants to avoid it as much as poss and overnight charging would be a step towards getting rid of this.

A lot of people want more than 250 miles between charges though, At least double that and they need to think about all those people that park on the street, how can they charge an EV?

There are so many oodles of people that DON'T need 250 miles between charge though. They're not on EVs yet, and should consider them. Who needs 500 between charges? Who gets 500 between tank fills?! Very few cars do this I guess and only motorway munchers or people allergic to filling stations would need this. Really unreasonable to demand this of an EV.
Charging at home on the street is certainly a problem. Part of the solution of course is that unlike liquid, you can do other things while your car is charging. You know, like work, shop etc, if there are chargers available - 'destination charging' - this is a very efficient way to charge, if the infrastructure is there.

Indeed, with the right infrastructure electricity could be 100% free

Some of it is - check out ecotricity - in lots of service stations and IKEA stores in the UK - charging stations from 100% green energy.

lovinituk

gzoom wrote: »

Even the base spec is loaded, and has a 0-60 time of 5.5 seconds.

My 2005 Scooby is quicker than that

Joking aside, I could be in the market for a Tesla in a few years time but there is no way I'm paying brand new prices and don't fancy being a pioneer whilst any issues are ironed out.

michaels

lovinituk wrote: »

My 2005 Scooby is quicker than that

Joking aside, I could be in the market for a Tesla in a few years time but there is no way I'm paying brand new prices and don't fancy being a pioneer whilst any issues are ironed out.

The model x is still vapourware to an extent it seems but 3.2s for a 4x4 7 seater sounds pretty competitive against most anything else on the road

lovinituk

michaels wrote: »

3.2s for a 4x4 7 seater

That sounds more like it!

DavidFx

almillar wrote: »

In the UK at least, electric supply isn't the problem, PEAK supply is the problem. There's STACKS of capacity overnight, so if these cars were charged overnight, it would even out electrical requirements.

Not quite - UK transport consumes 38 million tonnes of fuel oil which equates to roughly 390TWh. Current grid usage is about 360TWh so if EV were universally adopted we would need to double the generating capacity as well as the distribution network capacity.

WellKnownSid

DavidFx wrote: »

Not quite - UK transport consumes 38 million tonnes of fuel oil which equates to roughly 390TWh. Current grid usage is about 360TWh so if EV were universally adopted we would need to double the generating capacity as well as the distribution network capacity.

40Mtoe actually in 2014.

Of which passenger cars were as high as 25 Mtoe in the early noughties - but this is now down to 20Mtoe, and widely accepted as being closer to 100TWh / year in electrical terms.

Interestingly, there are 150TWh of savings identified across the network with the aim that they are realised by 2030.

So by 2030 - we should have saved sufficient electrical energy to run 150% of the UK's passenger cars based upon 2014 usage.

It's not all doom and gloom...

gzoom

I was amazed to read this news....It looks like Germany is well on its way to moving to an electricity grid not dependent on traditional energy generation. What does our government do?? Slash renewable funding....What the UK ministers don't seem to have grasp is the fact the sun and wind is a FREE source of power. Once you have the initial infustructre, you don't have to keep on paying for oil/gas/nuclear.

http://energytransition.de/2015/07/renewables-covered-78percent-of-german-electricity/

gzoom

lovinituk wrote: »

My 2005 Scooby is quicker than that

Joking aside, I could be in the market for a Tesla in a few years time but there is no way I'm paying brand new prices and don't fancy being a pioneer whilst any issues are ironed out.

What you forget is to drive an petrol car to its maximum performance you generally look like a t***, having to rev the engine and burn out your clutch (and your wallet). On an EV you can mass the throttle 100% of the time and no one batters an eye lid, and at 2p per mile you can do it as many times as you want

I've test driven a P85D, that does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds. It's very quick from a standing start but once rolling it's not any quicker than my old 335i which was remaped to about 380-400bhp....It certainly ISN'T worth the £50K premium to pay compared to a 70S, which apart from the crazy acceleration is the same car. Not unless £50K is pocket change to you.

If money was no object I would love a P85D, but on the accounts of been 'sensible' I'll happly 'make do' with a 70S....Though clearly you have to be a bit crazy to even think about spending £50K on a car from a company that is barely over 10 years old :rotfl:.