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GwylimT

iammumtoone wrote: »

But underage in this instance is 8 years old, the packet states that.

I can't see anywhere where the OP told us the age of the child if they were under 8 I can see the cashiers point of view but if they were 8 or over the cashier was in the wrong or the till should have come up with the correct details ie not to be sold to anyone under 18 who has a child under 8 with them.

No it doesn't, packaging does not state the legal aid in which someone can purchase an item, in the UK yoh must be 18 or over to purchase any form of knife. The packaging on the website clearly states a child of this age may use the product with adult supervision. Oddly enough a statement on packaging is not above the law in the UK. Cough medicine in my cupboard has a dose for four year olds, that doesn't mean the law no longer applies and therefore a four year old can purchase.

If any cashier believes an age restricted item is being bought for someone under age (so in this case 18) they are allowed to refuse to sell the item. If they were to go ahead and it was trading standards (who do these scenarios in shops) the cashier would be fined and could lose his or her job, this could also mean the particular establishment loses its ability to sell certain age restricted items for x time.

Shrimply

powerful_Rogue wrote: »

It is illegal to:
Its also illegal for someone over the age of 18 to purchase an age restricted item for someone under 18.

Link?

There is no law against someone under the age of 18 owning a knife. Why? Because there are plenty of situations where people under that age need to use knives. Therefore how can it be illegal to buy them one. Are you trying to tell us that there is no legal way for, 16 year old Trainee chefs for example, to acquire a set of knives. Total nonsense.

GwylimT

Edwood_Woodwood wrote: »

Look, have you just ignored the content of the OP's initial post deliberately?

The grandparent was buying the item so they both could carve a pumpkin together.

That obviously entails supervision.

The OP hasn't mentioned whatsoever they were buying the item for any other scenario.

I dare say thousands and thousands of these kits were sold in the last few weeks in similar circumstances.

The staff member was a proper thicko.

The staff member was following a British law. If you are unsure of laws look them up, if you don't like the laws and think adhering to then makes you thick, maybe go somewhere without the laws.

The OP hasn't bothered to reply about what actually happened at the till if you look. Everyone is also failing to ignore the fact that any till staff in the country are legally entitled to refuse to sell an age restricted product, eve if the person is of age, as the till staff is responsible for the sale.

powerful_Rogue

Shrimply wrote: »

Link?

There is no law against someone under the age of 18 owning a knife. Why? Because there are plenty of situations where people under that age need to use knives. Therefore how can it be illegal to buy them one. Are you trying to tell us that there is no legal way for, 16 year old Trainee chefs for example, to acquire a set of knives. Total nonsense.

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

Shrimply

powerful_Rogue wrote: »

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

Eh Yeah...

And where does it say it's illegal to own a knife if you are under 18, or buy a knife for someone who is under 18.

Again, the only age specific law relating to knives in the UK is the sale of them.

powerful_Rogue

Shrimply wrote: »

Eh Yeah...

And where does it say it's illegal to own a knife if you are under 18, or buy a knife for someone who is under 18.

Again, the only age specific law relating to knives in the UK is the sale of them.

I never said it was illegal for someone under the age of 18 to be in possession of a knife. It all depends on the circumstances.

My 13 year old son goes fishing with his friends. In his fishing box he has a small knife. Thats legal.

If his knife breaks, he cant just pop in the fishing shop and buy a new one, as he's under 18.

If he decided to take that knife into town with him - Illegal

It would be impossible to legislate against every situation, so as highlighted in that link

A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally.

Shrimply

Which is exactly what I'm saying.

So how can it possibly be against the law to sell a knife to someone if they are going to give it to someone under the restricted age of sale?

Given that someone under that restricted age of sale is legally allowed to own a knife, and use it within the law, and there is no law against anyone providing them with one?

powerful_Rogue

Shrimply wrote: »

Which is exactly what I'm saying.

So how can it possibly be against the law to sell a knife to someone if they are going to give it to someone under the restricted age of sale?

Given that someone under that restricted age of sale is legally allowed to own a knife, and use it within the law, and there is no law against anyone providing them with one?

You'll need to discuss that with you MP, because as it stands, it's illegal for someone under the age of 18 to purchase a knife and quite rightly so.

Shrimply

You seem to be missing the point.

It is NOT illegal to provide a knife to someone under that age of 18.

And therefore any legislation (which doesn't exist) that stated you couldn't sell a knife to someone you think may give it to someone under 18 would be completely pointless. As it's perfectly legal for someone to buy a knife with that intention.

powerful_Rogue

Shrimply wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point.

It is NOT illegal to provide a knife to someone under that age of 18.

And therefore any legislation (which doesn't exist) that stated you couldn't sell a knife to someone you think may give it to someone under 18 would be completely pointless. As it's perfectly legal for someone to buy a knife with that intention.

Not missing the point at all.

Its legal for a child between the ages of 5 - 16 to drink alcohol at home or on private premises. That dosent mean they can go shopping with an adult and pick out what alcohol they would like to drink that evening.

Likewise, a child cant go shopping for a knife with an adult and expect the cashier to sell that item. Its an age restricted item and if the cashier has suspicions that it is being purchased for a minor, she has to refuse the sale of face the consequences of fine/imprisonment/disciplinary action etc.