All Season Tyre advice please....

AdrianC

Gloomendoom wrote: »

I checked before a trip to Germany and all-season tyres with an M+S mark were OK in winter.

Not all M+S-rated tyres are "all-season" or winters. Most budget summers are M+S rated.

bigjl

Found some info specific to Germany on the AA site.

They do need to have the mountain/snowflake symbol since 2010

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/snow-chains-winter-tyres.html

AdrianC

bigjl wrote: »

Found some info specific to Germany on the AA site.

They do need to have the mountain/snowflake symbol since 2010

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/snow-chains-winter-tyres.html

And note also the starred footnote on that page...

Most of the pages that say M+S marked are OK are summaries or precis, certainly not original sources. My German is nowhere near good enough to refer to authoritative original material.

bigjl

AdrianC wrote: »

Not all M+S-rated tyres are "all-season" or winters. Most budget summers are M+S rated.

I must admit that I thought that having M+S without the snowflake might have meant it was an All Season of some kind.

I am even more desperate to get the tyres changed on the Berlingo now as it has one winter on the rear and the other a budget with M+S

The only decent tyre is a nearly new Firestone on the from OS.

That will likely be the spare moving forward.

Gloomendoom

AdrianC wrote: »

Not all M+S-rated tyres are "all-season" or winters. Most budget summers are M+S rated.

But some are... and they are acceptable for use in winter.

Gloomendoom

bigjl wrote: »

Found some info specific to Germany on the AA site.

They do need to have the mountain/snowflake symbol since 2010

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/snow-chains-winter-tyres.html

That isn't what I read...

(4) - Germany introduced regulations in 2010 requiring all passenger cars and motorbikes including vehicles from foreign countries to be fitted with winter tyres or all season tyres on all axles when conditions are wintry. Winter tyres (or 'all season' tyres) should bear the mark M+S* or the snowflake symbol on the side wall.

AdrianC

Gloomendoom wrote: »

But some are... and they are acceptable for use in winter.

Sure, but that's everything to do with them being A/S or winters, almost all of which meet the M+S requirements, rather than the M+S marking.

AdrianC

Gloomendoom wrote: »

That isn't what I read...

Now look at the asterisk after M+S, and read the italicised footnote that refers to.

bigjl

I only skimmed the requirements Adrian I just thought it would be some useful info.

From a cost standpoint All Seasons make sense for a low value vehicle like the Berlingo.

In London there is not huge amounts of snow but I hope that a latest technology All Season will be as good in the wet as the Goodyear Ultragrip 8's I had on my V50 2/3 yrs ago.

They really were that good through standing water. The only drawback was the slightly squidgy feeling they had, more pronounced in the dry.

When I have them fitted I will report back, hopefully the info will be valuable to anybody in a similar position.

Gloomendoom

AdrianC wrote: »

Sure, but that's everything to do with them being A/S or winters, almost all of which meet the M+S requirements, rather than the M+S marking.

Agreed.

The tyres should be winter or all-season tyres marked with the m+s or snowflake, not summer tyres so marked.