All Season Tyre advice please....

AdrianC

Paradigm wrote: »

Michelin cross climate tyres get good reviews, dunno how much they are though.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-CrossClimate-launched-is-this-a-game-changer.htm

Damn near the same price as Goodyears, and only a bit over £20/corner than Hankooks.
http://www.camskill.co.uk/m140b0s8652p0

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Sure, Camskill are online, and fitting needs to be arranged - but they're also a very good and simple guide to what's available (not entirely complete, but fairly well complete) and a good start to negotiating with local supply/fit places.

Gloomendoom

bigjl wrote: »

All Seasons are popular in the US and they are likely to be a good middle ground.

Though my concern would be they will be noisier than Summer tyres wth less grip in dry conditions and not as good in Snow or cold weather than a full on Winter

I have been using them for several years now. If there is a compromise, it certainly hasn't made itself felt yet.

As I said in another thread, my wife's car has a set of winter and rest of the year tyres but I'm seriously considering switching to all-seasons on that too as they are a lot less bother.

funguy

Inner_Zone wrote: »

What car is it, that size is not common as so can be expensive compared to other sizes that may also be suitable?

It's a Ford Focus that came factory fitted with 17" alloys and that size of tyres. I have checked with the Ford dealer and they don't recommend any other size of 17" tyres unfortunately...

funguy

The Michelins are about £130 / tyre fitted and the Goodyears about £150 a tyre fitted so quite expensive.....

Should I avoid the lesser known cheaper brands?

d123

Ive had the Michelins on a Focus for a while now (though in 15"), in both dry and wet they feel better than the Uniroyal Rainmasters that were on the car previously.

This is the review that I saw:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2015-02/michelin-crossclimate-tyres/

So Michelin has been working on a tyre that not only performs almost as well as the best cold weather tyres in winter, but also works as well as the best low rolling resistance summer tyres in the summer.

To confirm this, the highly respected TUV, DEKRA and UTAC have been testing it.

For braking on dry roads from 100kmh (62mph) they found it performed as well as Michelin Energy Saver Plus summer tyres and significantly better than Alpin 5 winter tyres and Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons all weather tyres.

For grip on wet bends they found it performed as well as Michelin Alpin 5 winter tyres and Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons all weather tyres and was slightly better than Michelin Energy Saver Plus summer tyres.

And for climbing a snow covered hill from 5kmh to 30kmh (5mph to 18kmh) they found it to be the equal of Michelin Alpin 5 winter tyres, slightly better than Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons all weather tyres and vastly better than Michelin Energy Saver Plus summer tyres.

bigjl

Gloomendoom wrote: »

I have been using them for several years now. If there is a compromise, it certainly hasn't made itself felt yet.

As I said in another thread, my wife's car has a set of winter and rest of the year tyres but I'm seriously considering switching to all-seasons on that too as they are a lot less bother.

You are right in the Uk we unlikely have weather extreme enough to bother most winter tyres.

Before the Clio was got rid of it needed two tyres on the front, I knew the cars days were numbered so stuck on a matched set of part worns.

I think they were Kleber, and were All Seasons. They made the car sound like it had knackered wheel bearings.

I was a bit surprised to be honest from a grip point of view they seemed fine but this was in the summer anyway so I never drove them in the wet.

This might just be specific to those tyres and I never found the GoodYear UltraGrip winter to be as noisy as that they were just like normal tyres really from a noise point of view.

I just had a look at the Berlingo and its mix of used tyres, car never left Southwark with previous owner very often and rarely ever got over 30mph I would suspect.

It has a Firestone on the OSF a Maloya Winter (M&S) with snowflake symbol inside a mountain which I am sure means a proper winter tyre on the OSR, a Champiro on the NSR which for some reason is marked up as M&S without the snowflake inside the mountain which I think means it is not a full on winter tyre, certainly doesn't have the usual extra siping of a Winter. A Chengshan on the NSF the spare is an Arrowspeed.

Not bad for a car that has just gone past 30k miles. The previous owner gave it to a relative that had no interest in cars though luckily it got an annual service.

It handles surprisingly well considering it has probable never had a Geometry check since new.

It will be pulled up to spec over the next few weeks, as soon as I get paid to be honest!

Driving it is causing my OCD to flare!!!

neilmcl

Forget the compromised all seasons get a winter tyre than can handle dry and wet conditions as well as ice & snow. Something like the new Nokian WR D4 would be ideal.

https://www.nokiantyres.com/winter-tyres/nokian-wr-d4/

bigjl

d123 wrote: »

Ive had the Michelins on a Focus for a while now (though in 15"), in both dry and wet they feel better than the Uniroyal Rainmasters that were on the car previously.

This is the review that I saw:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2015-02/michelin-crossclimate-tyres/

Nice to know.

Michelin very rarely produce anything less than an excellent product.

The only slight weakness they had in recent years was the wet weather performance of the early Michelin Energy tyre, an issue apparently sorted with the current Energy +.

I am going to price up the Michelins you have mentioned. I think a French car should have Michelins! Lol.

Gloomendoom

neilmcl wrote: »

Forget the compromised all seasons get a winter tyre than can handle dry and wet conditions as well as ice & snow. Something like the new Nokian WR D4 would be ideal.

https://www.nokiantyres.com/winter-tyres/nokian-wr-d4/

Despite the "compromise" all-seasons on my car (RWD), an hour after this photo was taken, it drove out of that parking spot and down a lane to a cleared main road.

d123

bigjl wrote: »

I am going to price up the Michelins you have mentioned. I think a French car should have Michelins! Lol.

I bought from ATS Euromaster, they were around £75 each all inclusive for 195/60 R15, and they even came to me to fit them for £1.

Wet performance is very good, the car feels like it's on rails around corners.