VW fiddling emissions data

datostar

Such is the suspicion now attaching to VW that when a senior executive said he 'wished they could turn the clock back' he came under investigation on suspicion of intending to tamper with the mileometers on returned cars to make them a better prospect on the second-hand market. It was thought the company already had a team working on it.

Garethgrew

I remember the old guy from top gear bashing hybrids and saying desel was cheaper and cleaner, now he has to eat his words

WellKnownSid

Garethgrew wrote: »

I remember the old guy from top gear bashing hybrids and saying desel was cheaper and cleaner, now he has to eat his words

I never realised Top Gear did environmental advice!

buglawton

Recalls starting in January - Skoda, Audi, VW.

Wonder what the loss in BHP, MPG, torque and acceleration will be?
The motoring pundits (and re-chippers) will be having some good guesses until the first cars return from their retunings.

WellKnownSid

buglawton wrote: »

Wonder what the loss in BHP, MPG, torque and acceleration will be?
...
until the first cars return from their retunings.

More complicated than that. Most of the changes will require only software, but some will require hardware changes as well - and every spec / market / make / model / weight / transmission / brand is different.

CEO quoted as saying that there weren't just three different changes - because of the different specifications and markets it was thousands of different changes.

So... comparing a 2012 Tiguan with someone else's 2012 Yeti - or even two 2013 A4s side by side - even with an apparently identical spec 2L engine - may not be possible.

The complexity of the 'fix' implies that they haven't got very much wriggle-room here - and whilst some drivers may not notice the difference (perhaps there may not be any difference at all on the smaller, lighter MT cars), others may possibly be 'disappointed'.

WellKnownSid

Have just read that - as part of the likely cutbacks - they are reviewing all brands and Bugatti has been singled out for a particular mention.

So... anyone wishing to place their Veyron order in time for Christmas... get it in PDQ!

dannyrst

Lord_Baltimore wrote: »

Well according to the VIN checker on the Audi website my car is not affected by the emissions scandal. Damn.

Can I still get compo for potential loss of re-sale value due to brand damage? Or is there any other way I can get on the compo bandwagon?

I'm sure I have *cough* particulate *cough* poisoning *cough*.

I saw the first advert on the web the other day:

"Contact us now to register for updates and information on the possibility of claiming compensation for your VW".

Did I fall asleep and wake up in America?

Lord_Baltimore

dannyrst wrote: »

I saw the first advert on the web the other day:

"Contact us now to register for updates and information on the possibility of claiming compensation for your VW".

Did I fall asleep and wake up in America?

Maybe they are just going to sneakily "fix" my car to save money? Bah, I don't trust 'em; I'll register with the no win no fee mob

almillar

The VIN checker of which Lord Baltimore speaks is here for VW, and includes links for the other manufacturers:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo

And they've already stopped making the Veyron so too late for that.

The_Bookman

This is just a thought..............

I have not read every post in this forum, so I apologise if this has been explored elsewhere. I do not own any of the affected vehicles. This is just my opinion.

If I buy a car made by manufacturer A, and the reason I buy this car is because it was sold/advertised as having/producing an emission level of A, as opposed to B, or C, etc. It then transpires that in fact the emission level IS actually B, or C, or even D, and the reason for this is that some fraudulent activity has taken place to deceive those responsible for determining the actual emission levels into thinking that it was level A.

I say that deception extends to me; I believed I was buying a car with emission level A; I wasn't. I have been deceived. The 'defendant' - manufacturer A - knew when they sold me the car that what they represented as true, was in fact untrue.

If I sell someone a gold ring, and it's actually brass, and I know it's brass, then I've deceived them, and I'm a fraudster. What manufacturer A has done is, I suggest to you, deception within the meaning of s.15, Theft Act (1968). Happy to discuss.

Accordingly, I want my money back. I don't want manufacturer A to change my car, now, into what it should have been, and what I thought it was, when I bought it. I want my money back, so I can go and buy what I wanted from someone else. From someone honest.

I might even dig my heels in and say that I want the interest that whatever I paid for my car would have earned between the date of purchase and the date it was discovered to be fraudulent.

So............VW have set aside £5 billion. That equates to about £454.00 per car for the 11 million cars apparently affected. If of course I'm right, then at a very conservative cost of £10k per car, VW are looking at a bill of £110 billion.

Interesting times. I almost wish I was a class action lawyer.