Here we can all be heard for a little while. Part 2

elsien

Ah, you're right. It just annoys me immensely when hospital ignore the legalities in favour of misleading people instead.

Gitdog isn't talking to me at the moment. I turned the heating down lower than he appreciates so he's pretending he's got hypothermia and is complaining. This takes the form of repeatedly bashing the coal scuttle lid with his nose. I've been clanged at for the last half an hour.

I made a cake yesterday for naughty dog club. It didn't rise properly so I've had no option but to eat it all myself. With a slice for JM, with a candle on, obviously.

whitewing

elsien,

'We never had depression in my day' - despite the fact that they used to call one of the locals Crackpot Charlie (not the real Christian name)

I used to hear that all the time.

'We just got on with things'

'He has rages' (actually he probably had PTSD)

'He's not all there'

'She's cuckoo' but cuckoo wasn't an mh issue - it was because you were 'one of them families'.

But then again, you never washed your dirty linen in public so people never talked about anything out of the social norm. You did your Christian duty though. Which seemed to involve looking down on unfortunates as you 'helped' them - kind hearts but cruel attitudes.

whitewing

http://www.countryliving.com/diy-crafts/tips/g645/crafty-christmas-presents-ideas/?thumbnails

I really like the idea of the cookie cutter fudge http://www.tipjunkie.com/post/13-neighbor-gifts-that-are-elegant-but-frugal/

There really are some brilliant ideas here - I love the chalkboard city block thing and the teabag organiser thing I have a pretty biscuit tin)
http://www.glamumous.co.uk/2013/12/65-genius-gift-ideas-to-make-at-home.html

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2009/nov/29/do-it-yourself-christmas-presents

Nutella liqueur, anyone? http://www.stylist.co.uk/life/10-homemade-diy-christmas-gifts-you-will-want-to-keep-for-yourself#gallery-1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/20/homemade-gift-idea-tea-bag-wreath_n_2331607.html?utm_hp_ref=huffpost-home&ir=HuffPost%20Home

Terrible http://www.popsugar.com/smart-living/Ugly-Christmas-Sweater-DIYs-36214639#photo-36214639

Cute http://www.darkroomanddearly.com/blog/rkroomanddearly.com/2011/12/10th-day-of-christmas-sock-snowmen.html

Waves_and_Smiles

Elsien, I do think it is pretty much the case that there was little knowledge of mental health years ago and it was generally something to be ashamed of. Of course there are always exceptions to that. My mother now would have been in her early 80's and despite being mentally ill herself would not discuss it or call it what it was. She would have 'funny turns', that was all the family ever called them and referred to them in hushed tones and very rarely. Anyone with mental illness would be whispered to be having an attack of the nerves, sadly that was usually used as a term with women only, male mental illness didn't seem to be recognised at all. There was certainly no understanding of psychosis despite my mother being psychotic most of the time, just funny turns that were never mentioned again. There was an awful lot of embarrassment and misunderstanding around mental illness in my family, you just didn't discuss it and our neighbours seemed to have similar attitude should it occur in their families, there was very little information available for people to learn from. .As I said, there were exceptions like my dad who would try to explain to me that something was wrong with my mother's brain, but he had been training as a doctor before my mother became too ill for him to continue so had a broader view.

How do your family know that ER cannot leave hospital? Is it just ER's interpretation? Have they spoken to her consultant? I wouldn't judge it too harshly yet until you are positive that you know what was said and how it was phrased. I have been told on occasion that I can't leave hospital yet (and they were correct in my case), but they didn't mean we are forcing you to stay, they meant this would be a very bad idea and you can't go home yet without losing the plot again. There have also been times when I have been told I cannot leave until WaSp is there to pick me up and take me into his care, again if I wanted to leave they couldn't have stopped me without a section but it was a way of saying you aren't safe to be alone and we may section you if we have to rather than send you home alone for your own sake. Humans do not always phrase things correctly on either side, do check that ER isn't taking very strong advice to stay in hospital as being forced to stay.

Of course, it is possible that they are retaining her unfairly and illegally but hear it from a consultant first and then work from there. Do ask about the care concerns, too. It is important that, that is chased up. Try to distract yourself tonight though, deal with it tomorrow.

Waves_and_Smiles

Elsien, I do think it is pretty much the case that there was little knowledge of mental health years ago and it was generally something to be ashamed of which still exists in elderly generations today. Of course there are always exceptions to that. My mother now would have been in her early 80's and despite being mentally ill herself would not discuss it or call it what it was. She would have 'funny turns', that was all the family ever called them and referred to them in hushed tones and very rarely. Anyone with mental illness would be whispered to be having an attack of the nerves, sadly that was usually used as a term with women only, male mental illness didn't seem to be recognised at all. There was certainly no understanding of psychosis despite my mother being psychotic most of the time, just funny turns that were never mentioned again. There was an awful lot of embarrassment and misunderstanding around mental illness in my family, you just didn't discuss it and our neighbours seemed to have similar attitude should it occur in their families, there was very little information available for people to learn from. .As I said, there were exceptions like my dad who would try to explain to me that something was wrong with my mother's brain, but he had been training as a doctor before my mother became too ill for him to continue so had a broader view.

How do your family know that ER cannot leave hospital? Is it ER's interpretation only? Have they spoken to her consultant? I wouldn't judge it too harshly yet until you are positive that you know what was said and how it was phrased. I have been told on occasion that I can't leave hospital yet (and they were correct in my case), but they didn't mean we are forcing you to stay, they meant this would be a very bad idea and you can't go home yet without losing the plot again. There have also been times when I have been told I cannot leave until WaSp is there to pick me up and take me into his care, again if I wanted to leave they couldn't have stopped me without a section but it was a way of saying you aren't safe to be alone and we may section you if we have to rather than send you home alone for your own sake. Humans do not always phrase things correctly on either side, do check that ER isn't taking very strong advice to stay in hospital as being forced to stay.

Of course, it is possible that they are retaining her unfairly and illegally but hear it from a consultant first and then work from there. By all means go in all guns blazing if that is happening, that isn't acceptable at all. Do also ask about the care concerns, too. It is important that, that is chased up. Try to distract yourself tonight though, deal with it tomorrow.

jobbingmusician

elsien wrote: »

I've just had a couple of hours of parent stressing about ER in hospital.
Parent tells me ER is receiving poor day to day care, is there "voluntarily" but ER has been told they're not free to leave although there doesn't appear to be a DOLS applied for/in place. So apparently being detained illegally. We now have a long list of issues to query first thing in the morning and my head is spinning.

I suspect that your spinnage will have nothing on the way THEIR heads will spin when you unleash your DoLS knowledge on them!

PS Thank you for the cake with candle :beer: No, nothing special planned for tonight. I got home to the most ENORMOUS bunch of flowers, though, and a big hug and kiss, and got a lovely card from Mr JM this morning as well

whitewing

I love flowers.

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whitewing

Check out these cute robins

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This link came from another thread on MSE about making your own advent calendar.

Wellyboots6

I wish I could crochet!

Currently lying in bed with Guns n Roses album on repeat as iits the only thing that has stopped Escapette screaming all evening. Really want to sleep, but the minute I turn it off or even down, she wakes up and starts again.

Counselling booked for Friday. Hoping it will help me prepare for going back to work