Landlord reneged on our agreement

R997

G_M wrote: »

deannatrois's responses were helpful.

I disagree. But thanks.

R997

anselld wrote: »

It seems to be you who is reneging.

If you dispute the agreed deductions now then from the L viewpoint I would expect "all bets are off" and all his original claims would be back in play.

The outcome would depend on the dispute resolution process but you could end up paying more than you have currently agreed.

I suspect you may be right, but the LL certainly deliberately lied and misled us. I suspect we'll end up paying the £641, but I'd be remiss if I didn't look at our options.

G_M

Not sure why you posted here. You clearly don't want to take on board what everyone is telling you.

R997 wrote: »

It wasn't agreed as compensation for damage done. It was worked out together on the basis of what we agreed needed to be done, and then documented.

Indeed - it needed to be done.... to make good the damage, dirt, whatever.

Just as your hypothetical car needed replacing so I gave you £2000.

You are then free to buy bus tickets with it for the next 5 years.

And the LL is free to do the cleaning himself.

You're feeling angry with the LL, and now with posters here for not agreeing with/sympathising with/supporting you.

But you initialy asked not for 'poor you' responses, but to " know where I stand legally ".

If you don't trust us to give you your legal position, pay a solicitor to tell you.

BobQ

OP,

A proper landlord - tenant arrangement involves:

Landlord complying with the law on protecting deposit (you have not clarified if this happened or which scheme they used). If this has not happened you are not obliged to pay anything since the landlord is acting illegally.

A proper inventory (ideally with photos) on entering and leaving to enable (a) you to prove that any differences are just fair wear and tear and (b) the landlord to show they are not (ie dilapidations are more than fair wear and tear. Without this a landlord cannot prove anything should be taken out of the deposit and you are not obliged to pay for those he cannot prove.

Both sides complying with the tenancy agreement (a matter of fact).

Everything else is meaningless.

Mallotum_X

If the land lord paid the cleaner would you be happy?

The cost to you is the same so who cares what he does with the money. You have agreed the cost to be reasonable. So time to pay up for being a slob and move on.

R997

G_M wrote: »

Not sure why you posted here. Useful to hear other opinions. Not obliged to agree with them however.

And the LL is free to do the cleaning himself. He certainly is. But is not free to deliberately mislead me.

You're feeling angry with the LL, and now with posters here for not agreeing with/sympathising with/supporting you. Not really. I'd like people to tell me I'm in the right and the LL is evil, obviously, but that's never going to happen.

But you initialy asked not for 'poor you' responses, but to " know where I stand legally ". I'm aware of this, but thanks for reiterating.

If you don't trust us to give you your legal position, pay a solicitor to tell you. May well do this. This is just a forum, after all.

It's sometimes hard to gauge the tone and intent of someone responses in forums / email. I'm happy to hear informed opinions, but I don't have to agree with them.

R997

Mallotum_X wrote: »

If the land lord paid the cleaner would you be happy?

Yes, I think so. The landlord pushed up the agreed figure by asserting the cleaning could only be satisfactory if done my a professional. He pushed that figure as high as he could with the intention of pocketing that cash. The figure was derived by misleading me.

Guest101

Well does the LL not deserve to be paid to clean the house?

If he can do it to the required standard, should he not charge the approriate amount?

It's his money to do with as he wishes, once you agree the amount?

POPPYOSCAR

OP you seem to be missing the point that everyone here is tying to tell you.


It does not matter what the LL does about the cleaning or decorating. You agreed an amount and that is that.


What he chooses to do/not do has nothing to do with you now.

Herbalus

R997 wrote: »

It's sometimes hard to gauge the tone and intent of someone responses in forums / email. I'm happy to hear informed opinions, but I don't have to agree with them.

Basically what you're saying is "LL is a horrible man, but I reluctantly agreed to pay for cleaning for the next tenant. The lack of cleaning hasn't happened, ergo LL has taken money that I thought was paying for cleaning i.e. pretty much theft. It's like he's stuck two fingers up at me while taking my money".

I get it. I think (if your story is accurate, and of course I only have your word ) that your LL is a blithering buffoon, and I would be furious if that happened to me. It probably feels like a personal insult.

But really it's the new tenants he's stolen from. You agreed a price to improve the condition of the house, and that's the end of your part. It's the LLs decision how he spends it, and if he's a selfish pri*k then it's the new tenants who suffer. You're in the clear, so be glad that you've left.