Corbynomics: A Dystopia

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Not the whole electorate Clapton. More people voted against him than for him. I seem to recall that Hitler achieved power as a result of gaining support from lots of non socialist parties in 1933.;)
......but lets not distract from the allegations about 'call me Dave'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/contemporaries-behaved-appallingly-oxford-university-6487342

It would seem that young Dave did a few things like get drunk and eat at good cafes

Whether such behaviour should exclude people for being elected to parliament is up to the voters.

Personally I would prefer (within reason) to vote for a persons current views and policies than on what they did 30 years ago.

In any event I am unaware Dave supported the IRA when it was bombing and killing people and didn't consider them friends either then or now.

Moby

Some of us will only realise this once it is too late (if the current situation in Europe is not dealt with very rapidly by preventing all and sundry healthy, aggressive 'migrants' from the Middle East, Africa and Asia from entering the continent illegally). Then we'll really have problems on our hands.

Ohhhh I see now...... it's all the fault of 'healthy, aggressive migrants'. How dare they try to escape the clutches of Assad and ISIL and pollute our shores with their presence.........but never fear 'call me Dave' has it all under control.....another bombing campaign should do the trick;)

gadgetmind

CLAPTON wrote: »

It would seem that young Dave did a few things like get drunk and eat at good cafes

Well quite, me too, I was a complete buttock on a regular basis.

I'm sure that if I ran for politics a few people I knew would make money from the pictures/stories, the press would have a field day, and those with no effective way to attack my politics would attack my past.

I don't approve of what Cameron is *alleged* to have done, but neither does it affect my views on how well he can run the country. What Corbyn says and does in the present day (with a little recent past mixed in) very much affects these views.

So, let's either compare their pasts or (ideally) their presents, and not resort to the "pick and mix" approach.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

It would seem that young Dave did a few things like get drunk and eat at good cafes

Whether such behaviour should exclude people for being elected to parliament is up to the voters.

Personally I would prefer (within reason) to vote for a persons current views and policies than on what they did 30 years ago.

In any event I am unaware Dave supported the IRA when it was bombing and killing people and didn't consider them friends either then or now.

So Clapton in reference to some of his views and policies....remember Libya is the biggest call he has had to make.......more to follow I'm sure;)

Richards spoke to the authors, and they quote him expressing reservations about Cameron’s handling of the intervention in Libya in 2011, and of the proposed intervention in Syria in 2013. Speaking about Libya, he said:

We never really analysed things properly. Our instinct is kneejerk support for the underdog, without doing the analysis that would necessarily legitimise that course of action

Richards did draw up a plan to help build up opposition forces that could fight Assad. But he also worried that Cameron was taking too simplistic a view of the conflict, and that he saw it just as a conflict between “good guys” and “bad guys”. He told the authors:

I said: ‘Are you certain we’re backing the right side, prime minister?’ You could see them all tutting, because they didn’t want to debate it. But someone had to say it.

One “Obama administration insider” said: “It was one of those astonishing displays of incompetence that sort of leaves you wondering about how, you know, have we all got this far?”

Michael Ancram, the former Tory shadow defence secretary, has accused Cameron of ‘doing an Iraq’ in Libya

Cameron proposed plans to ‘take out’ Assad, dismissed as implausible by the Americans

A White House said some of Cameron’s ideas fell into the “derring-do category”.

Just to add a little spice of local corruption to 'protect his own types'!

Cameron once wrote to the attorney general on behalf of a constituent who faced prosecution for alleged hunting

The charges were later dropped.

While Cameron was leader of the opposition, his friend Julian Barnfield, a professional huntsman with the Heythrop [Cameron’s local hunt], was charged with various offences of hunting a fox. The case was later dropped on a technicality.
Cameron, we discovered, intervened personally, writing to the attorney general on Barnfield’s behalf in June 2008.
Later, Chris Edgell, a former detective constable involved in the case, tried to obtain a copy of the letter using the Freedom of Information Act, but his application was rejected.
Cameron’s constituency office also refused to provide Edgell with a copy of the correspondence — on the basis it followed ‘a private meeting between a constituent and his MP’. Did the police and Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) go easy on Barnfield after pressure from Cameron? It seems more than possible.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

So Clapton in reference to some of his views and policies....more to follow I'm sure;)

I fully accept that there are many views on what should or should not be done about the problems in the middle east /north africa.

I believe there is plenty of room for an interesting debate about this and Dave and Jeremy approach.

However I don't think what happened at Oxford 30 years ago is relevant

Why don't you tell us what Jeremy believes ought to be done and compare and contrast with Dave's approach.

ukcarper

Sapphire wrote: »

What's on Earth has Clarkson got to do with it? I've always found the man abhorrent, so not too sure what you're complaining about with relevance to what I said.

For your information, I believe all politicians and generally people in power are deceitful, including communists such as Corbyn and Stalin, and everyone has skeletons in their cupboards.

When it comes to Cameron, he appears to try to tread a middle ground in what are turning out to be quite dangerous times for Britain and the rest of Europe. This is a time when Britain needs to show strength, not disarray – and that absolutely revolting Ashcroft and the woman who wrote the book are damaging our country. I'm not too sure why the Mail is publishing this tittle-tattle, much of which was known already. Sure it wants to sell more copies of its paper (and the book publishers and Ashcroft want to earn their money). Perhaps the Mail would also like Cameron replaced by a hardliner (which wouldn't be a great idea)? I'm not buying the paper, and I certainly wouldn't buy the book.:cool:

Could it be that the right of Tory party thinking Labour have made themselves unelectable are starting to flex their muscles.

Sapphire

Moby wrote: »

Ohhhh I see now...... it's all the fault of 'healthy, aggressive migrants'. How dare they try to escape the clutches of Assad and ISIL and pollute our shores with their presence.........

You honestly believe that the fit, well-preened males that you see invading Europe (the majority of the 'migrants', some of whom do things like using women and children as shields and thrusting them towards cameras) are refugees from Syria?

It's staggeringly naive people like you who are going to bring about the ruination of the European continent (if something is not done quickly by Europe to stop the flow). Merkel should have recruited people directly via Turkey if she wanted to increase Germany's population, not inflicted this calamity on southern and Eastern Europe. There have already been huge protests in Germany (of course suppressed by the British media), and that's with relatively few of the migrants she has welcomed with open arms. You haven't seen anything yet…

gadgetmind

CLAPTON wrote: »

Why don't you tell us what Jeremy believes ought to be done

He wants everyone to sit down and sing songs about mermaids.

Sapphire

ukcarper wrote: »

Could it be that the right of Tory party thinking Labour have made themselves unelectable are starting to flex their muscles.

Yes, I do believe that this may well be the case, hence the assassination attempt in the Mail. It's not something I'd want to see, personally. Owen Patterson and his ilk are fairly repellant to me.:cool:

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

I fully accept that there are many views on what should or should not be done about the problems in the middle east /north africa.

I believe there is plenty of room for an interesting debate about this and Dave and Jeremy approach.

However I don't think what happened at Oxford 30 years ago is relevant

Why don't you tell us what Jeremy believes ought to be done and compare and contrast with Dave's approach.

That response was as convincing as a North Korean election result:rotfl:
Deal with the issue why don't you like call me Dave at PM Questions!