Corbynomics: A Dystopia

CLAPTON

Dansmam wrote: »

The point seems pretty clear. Politicians of all persuasions/colours/beliefs understand that to achieve political aims (and when successful achieve the best outcomes for the people who vote for them, which may or may not be the same thing depending on the cynicism of your political beliefs) you have to understand what and who you are dealing with to be able to either enforce or negotiate an outcome you are happy with. So you or your mates/allies/friends have to talk to them, or you have to treat them as mates/allies/friends and talk to them yourself. Simply that.

maybe, maybe not

however there is a difference between the philosophy of politics with one's actual beliefs and policies

so some people believe that the IRA were justified in killing and bombing women, children,pubs, politicians etc
and some don't

I don't

it seems McDonnell and Corbyn and some others do

setmefree2

Jeremy Corbyn becomes first Labour leader ever to score negative debut poll rating

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11888380/Jeremy-Corbyn-becomes-first-Labour-leader-ever-to-score-negative-debut-poll-rating.html

Labour seen as more divided, extreme and out of date under Corbyn, poll suggests

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/sep/24/liam-byrne-praises-corbyn-as-craft-ale-of-the-labour-movement-politics-live

setmefree2

Treat meat-eaters like smokers, says Labour's vegan environment spokeswoman

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/treat-meat-eaters-like-smokers-6508343

gadgetmind

I guess they're setting themselves a challenge for 2020 given how well things went for them in 2015.

setmefree2

gadgetmind wrote: »

I guess they're setting themselves a challenge for 2020 given how well things went for them in 2015.

Lefties love him. Everyone else hates him. Labour will be wiped in the next election.

When Foot stood in 1983 it gave the Conservative Party under Margaret Thatcher the most decisive election victory since that of Labour in 1945. Labour had its worst performance since 1918, the Labour vote fell by over 3 million from 1979 and this accounted for both a national swing of almost 4% towards the Conservatives and a parliamentary majority of 144.

Don't suppose all those Labour MPs are going to be too happy about losing their jobs - wonder what they'll do about it?

gadgetmind

setmefree2 wrote: »

wonder what they'll do about it?

Mount a major protest by refusing to sing songs about mermaids.

michaels

CLAPTON wrote: »

100% agree that Pinochet was a vile murderer....

And yet many more Chileans would have died had the country followed the path of revolutionary socialism as other Latin American countries did with disasterous consequences for GDP, infant mortality etc etc. It certainly woudn't be a European style social democracy with first world services that it has now.

CLAPTON

michaels wrote: »

And yet many more Chileans would have died had the country followed the path of revolutionary socialism as other Latin American countries did with disasterous consequences for GDP, infant mortality etc etc. It certainly woudn't be a European style social democracy with first world services that it has now.

that's conjecture and in any event, it is up to the Chilean people to decide via the ballot box.


throwing people out of aeroplanes, waiting for pregnant females to produce their offspring before killing them etc. is unacceptable and vile behaviour


if a people choose to go to hell then that's their choice (one thinks of Greece)

michaels

CLAPTON wrote: »

if a people choose to go to hell then that's their choice (one thinks of Greece)

I agree that what was odious probably outweighs what was good but on a pure accountign basis, had Chile followed the Allende path of communism, a command economy etc then more would have died, eventually also directly at the hand of the state as has happened in all communist countries where dissent is not accepted. Surely we only need to have to look at Venezuela, Columbia, Argentina, Brazil, Cuba and most of the central American countries to see how easily things can go wrong with economic mismanagement leadign to many more deaths from underdevelpment that Pinochet killed directly. Agian I'm not defending this par tof the dictatorship or saying you can compare a death via goct torture to a death because of no proper neo-natal care but in pure number terms the picture is pretty clear.

CLAPTON

michaels wrote: »

I agree that what was odious probably outweighs what was good but on a pure accountign basis, had Chile followed the Allende path of communism, a command economy etc then more would have died, eventually also directly at the hand of the state as has happened in all communist countries where dissent is not accepted. Surely we only need to have to look at Venezuela, Columbia, Argentina, Brazil, Cuba and most of the central American countries to see how easily things can go wrong with economic mismanagement leadign to many more deaths from underdevelpment that Pinochet killed directly. Agian I'm not defending this par tof the dictatorship or saying you can compare a death via goct torture to a death because of no proper neo-natal care but in pure number terms the picture is pretty clear.

Whilst I agree about the effects of poor economic decisions and the limitations of democracy, I see no practical alternative.


Venezuela is a particularly tragic example : I'm sure Corbyn thinks it's a socialist wonderland but it's up to the people of the country to kick out the idiots that have ruined their country.