Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

'Dynamite revelations' my !!!! - more slow news day and a front page ad for a book the Mail are pushing.

Did it make many headlines in Scotland when Sturgeon was forced to admit she took drugs once, maybe twice, can't remember where, possibly university, didn't like it, made her sick, etc. etc.

It's been dubbed #piggate not #drugsgate. And it was trending no1 in the world last night. French, German and Russian newspapers ( Russian embassy tweets are funny ) are reporting on it too.

I think the point is, that from now on in. Even the most crazy, mad Corbyn headlines are going to be compared to this...

Moby

michaels wrote: »

Interesting that Corbyn smearing has only started in earnest after his election - you might almost conclude that certain sections of the press wanted him elected....but probably not because they also wanted to see a labour PM.

The stories have always been there but once you get a position of prominence...then it begins. Cameron of course got on the wrong side of Ashcroft .....even the law of 'omerta' within the establishment could not stop Ashcroft venting his spleen. And remember this vindictivness is because Dave refused to honour him sufficiently after he had been chair of the Tory party for 10 years. I had heard Ashcroft knows where the bodies are buried but wanted to make more dosh through publishing his biography.

Moby

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's been dubbed #pigate not #drugsgate. And it was trending no1 in the world last night. French, German and Russian newspapers ( Russian embassy tweets are funny ) are reporting on it too.

I think the point is, that from now on in. Even the most crazy, mad Corbyn headlines are going to be compared to this...

Has he finally had his bacon?.....seriously though.....anyone with a bit of sense could see how 'call me dave' hams it up all the time but the gullible types still trot out their excuses for him probably because they all like having their snouts in the trough:p

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I was trying to steer things back on topic through wiping away my tears of laughter. I suspect David Cameron will be making the headlines for the next few weeks. Not Corbyn.

Correct as Corbyn has little to of value to actually say. Like the SNP. The spin doctors will be working overtime to keep in the news.

Generali

Moby wrote: »

Has he finally had his bacon?.....seriously though.....anyone with a bit of sense could see how 'call me dave' hams it up all the time but the gullible types still trot out their excuses for him probably because they all like having their snouts in the trough:p

LOLzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Mr Cameron will be driven out by all this presumably to be replaced a couple of years earlier than otherwise (remember that he said he wouldn't contest the next election as leader).

Yeah, I guess it's pretty funny. It still doesn't resolve the very fundamental problems that Labour have. The 1922 Committee will get rid of Mr Cameron but Labour MPs can't get rid of Mr Corbyn. Enjoy the japes while you can because the laugh is going to be on Mr Corbyn in a few years. I suspect he's beggured it up already by allowing Cabinet ministers to take contrary positions.

By 2020 no voter will have a clue what a cross next to a Labour candidate actually means. In or out of NATO? Probably. In or out of the EU? Doubtless. Independence or Unionism in Scotland? Most likely one or the other.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

LOLzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Mr Cameron will be driven out by all this presumably to be replaced a couple of years earlier than otherwise (remember that he said he wouldn't contest the next election as leader).

Yeah, I guess it's pretty funny. It still doesn't resolve the very fundamental problems that Labour have. The 1922 Committee will get rid of Mr Cameron but Labour MPs can't get rid of Mr Corbyn. Enjoy the japes while you can because the laugh is going to be on Mr Corbyn in a few years. I suspect he's beggured it up already by allowing Cabinet ministers to take contrary positions.

By 2020 no voter will have a clue what a cross next to a Labour candidate actually means. In or out of NATO? Probably. In or out of the EU? Doubtless. Independence or Unionism in Scotland? Most likely one or the other.

I seriously doubt Corbyn will be around in 2020 either. But he will have dragged Labour much closer to their grassroots. And towards a more acceptable set of policies to their ( leaking to UKIP/SNP/Green/wavering/don't vote because they're no different to the Tories ).. potential support than any of the other 3 leadership candidates ever would have. And abstaining on issues such as the Welfare Bill will be a thing of the past too. Caused too much damage.

Labour need to be bold now. And stop having the agenda's set for them by the Tories and the press. Now Corbyn's at one end of the scale on the above. I suspect after a while if he can't hold the party together, he'll step down ( he seems to be honourable enough in that sense ) and make way for someone who's a little less like him policy wise. But at the same time, much to the left of Miliband, Burnham, Cooper and Kendal. And a little more media savvy.

Aberdeenangarse

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The above is exactly what everyone else is laughing about. People trying to write off the 'pig initiation' to some weird group as something 'everyone does' in their uni years. Really ?

Well they'd found the pig.



It probably explains why it can't keep it's mouth shut!

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I seriously doubt Corbyn will be around in 2020 either. But he will have dragged Labour much closer to their grassroots. And towards a more acceptable set of policies to their ( leaking to UKIP/SNP/Green/wavering/don't vote because they're no different to the Tories ).. potential support than any of the other 3 leadership candidates ever would have. And abstaining on issues such as the Welfare Bill will be a thing of the past too. Caused too much damage.

Labour need to be bold now. And stop having the agenda's set for them by the Tories and the press. Now Corbyn's at one end of the scale on the above. I suspect after a while if he can't hold the party together, he'll step down ( he seems to be honourable enough in that sense ) and make way for someone who's a little less like him policy wise. But at the same time, much to the left of Miliband, Burnham, Cooper and Kendal. And a little more media savvy.

I don't imagine that abandoning floating voters to gain a handful of Greens is the way forward for Labour if they actually want to win. Winning over the voters lost to the SNP simply isn't enough: Labour need to carry England and the English won't vote Corbyn.

If they want to be led by a Man of Principle (who seems to be rapidly abandoning his principles) to glorious failure, Labour members seem to have elected the right man.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

The stories have always been there but once you get a position of prominence...then it begins. Cameron of course got on the wrong side of Ashcroft .....even the law of 'omerta' within the establishment could not stop Ashcroft venting his spleen. And remember this vindictivness is because Dave refused to honour him sufficiently after he had been chair of the Tory party for 10 years. I had heard Ashcroft knows where the bodies are buried but wanted to make more dosh through publishing his biography.

seems to show Cameron as a man of principle by refusing to give into Ashcroft's 'blackmail'

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

I don't imagine that abandoning floating voters to gain a handful of Greens is the way forward for Labour if they actually want to win. Winning over the voters lost to the SNP simply isn't enough: Labour need to carry England and the English won't vote Corbyn.

If they want to be led by a Man of Principle (who seems to be rapidly abandoning his principles) to glorious failure, Labour members seem to have elected the right man.

Well, there's a balance to be had there. It doesn't need to be all or nothing. I think we all know that it's England that has to be won over ( though 50 or so Scottish Labour MP's would certainly help re Westminster ). I don't think Corbyn is the one that's going to provide that balance. But he's certainly dragged the party out of it's 'if we could just be a little bit like the Tories, we can win elections' phase. And turned it in the opposite direction. Someone else, who rises through the ranks in the next few years could do so though. Especially once the EU ref is over, and all those millions of UKIP voters need a home. Those that went from Labour -> UKIP directly were quite numerous in number. It's not much of a stretch to imagine that quite a lot of them could be tempted back directly.

Scotland is a little different in that most voters quite like Corbyn's policies, and the man himself. But while so much Labour turmoil is in evidence, it's difficult to see how there would be much of a move back. Unless it starts looking likely Labour will win the next election, standing on similar policies to those Corbyn is trying to introduce now.

Yes, it's a toughie alright, squaring those circles.