Corbynomics: A Dystopia

ukcarper

Boredatwrork wrote: »

I'm 42, I am not part of the boomer generation, but I can tell you, many boomers are not even close to living this highlife you describe, and a lot of them worked bloody hard to achieve what is now considered an average standard of living.

1. Do you honestly think they all sat around a table working out how they can screw over future generations?
2. Would you not take opportunities in your life to better yourself and family financially if they were on offer, do you not do that now (whats this website called again)
3. Do you honestly believe you would forfeit buying property or investing money etc, because of concern for future generations, Surely you just do what you think is right in your life at the time based on your situation, like me, your parents, your family and friends and most others including the baby boomer generation, businesses, organizations and politicians, what supreme sacrifices have you made so far in your life to save mankind for the greater good, can you list specific examples, thanks.

The more I read your posts, the more I just see the typical graundia reader throwing stones and having a tantrum, pointing fingers the eternal victim. You act like it would be so easy if the system was more suited to you and where just given a chance, you act like nobody else or other generation has had issues or their own set of problems in their day, most everybody on this planet has felt like that, some then choose to do something about it, some don't, that's life.

Can I ask you, if you had of been born a boomer, what specific changes you would of made in your life, what sacrifices you would of made to ensure you were not one of those you accuse of "Pulling up the ladder"?
I would love to know what cultural revolution you would would of started to fix something you (like most others) would not of been even aware of, tell me what moves you would of made as a pillar of society, a bastion of humanity?

You just have an axe to grind, because you feel you have some right and are justified, like theirs some grand conspiracy, most people are just trying to get by mate, the boomers are as much a victim of other generations as you are of theirs, get over it, get this Labour victim mentality out of your head.

Another thing conveniently forgotten is that more than a third of boomers voted Labour in last GE in fact less than 50% voted Tory.

economic

ukcarper wrote: »

Another thing conveniently forgotten is that more than a third of boomers voted Labour in last GE in fact less than 50% voted Tory.

thats actually quite scary.

Arklight

GreatApe wrote: »

It is almost besides the point if communism can or can not work.
The fact is capitalism does work and works well

When I listened to that fool McDonnell salivating at the 2008 crash as proof he had been waiting a lifetime for that capitalism didn't work I laugh at the man. The idiot is admitting that capitalism worked well for decades and continues to work well, his best anti capitalism stance is that recessions happen once in a while. Talk about looking at a cup 99% full and crying that it is 1% empty

Your view of Britain's economy is so far at variance with the majority of the electorate who would now vote for a Labour government, I can't see any point debating with you.


What your invective boils down to is that Toryism has worked out very well for you, therefore everyone should vote Tory and if Toryism doesn't work out for them then they are just idiots who deserve to starve and die.


As you are apparently a self taught genius who awarded himself a 1st in Physics from his parents' basement in the time it would take an untermensch at an ex-Poly to register for Freshers Week, you might want to look up the meaning of the term, 'begging the question,' in formal logic.

Otherwise may I merely congratulate on personifying every attribute of disdain, superiority and myopic self obsessed heartlessness that perfectly summarises the Tory supporter and their soon to be ex-government.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

Do you really think he can deliver what he promises, if he was to be more realistic not promising to solve every bodies grievances by only taxing a few people I'd be more inclined to believe him.

If you go back to the start of this discussion, way back before poor Generali was banned (does anyone know how he is?), Labour's model for funding is based on peoples' quantitative easing, some tax rises, and issuing bonds for nationalised industries, followed by increased tax revenue from an expanding economy.


This is in contrast to Tory austerity which is impoverishing people at a faster rate than state borrowing will do.


There is a ton of "everybody knows" whataboutery in this thread and very little actual dissection of Labour's spending plans. Firstly, 30% of the national debt that we owe is to ourselves. Apparently it's fine for Tory governments to print billions of pounds to give to banks to enrich their own balance sheets, but if a Labour government wants to do the same for capital infrastructure it's the return of Mao.

economic

Arklight wrote: »

If you go back to the start of this discussion, way back before poor Generali was banned (does anyone know how he is?), Labour's model for funding is based on peoples' quantitative easing, some tax rises, and issuing bonds for nationalised industries, followed by increased tax revenue from an expanding economy.


This is in contrast to Tory austerity which is impoverishing people at a faster rate than state borrowing will do.


There is a ton of "everybody knows" whataboutery in this thread and very little actual dissection of Labour's spending plans. Firstly, 30% of the national debt that we owe is to ourselves. Apparently it's fine for Tory governments to print billions of pounds to give to banks to enrich their own balance sheets, but if a Labour government wants to do the same for capital infrastructure it's the return of Mao.

it was actually under a labour government that the first QE was done -get your facts straight before posting this drivel.

economic

oh and it was under the labour party we had the financial crisis and borrowing went through the roof.

Arklight

economic wrote: »

it was actually under a labour government that the first QE was done -get your facts straight before posting this drivel.

I'm afraid I have to break the news to you that Labour hasn't been in power since 2010.


Blaming Labour for the world's economic ills was fine in 2011, and 2012, and even 2013. It was starting to wear a bit thin in 2014 and 2015. It's now 2017 and you need to find a different song to sing.

economic

Arklight wrote: »

I'm afraid I have to break the news to you that Labour hasn't been in power since 2010.


Blaming Labour for the world's economic ills was fine in 2011, and 2012, and even 2013. It was starting to wear a bit thin in 2014 and 2015. It's now 2017 and you need to find a different song to sing.

we have been doing fine under the current government. sure things can be improved. but i would hate to think what would happen to this country if it were under labour. labour were under power whilst the banking system was developing into a bubble until it burst in 2007/8 giving rise to the great recession. given the size of the problem it takes time for the country to heal itself and i think it has more or less done the right things. 5 years doesn't cut it. it takes long time to restructure the economy and for policy to have an effect.

from what i can see things are looking a lot better then 5 years ago for many people.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

If you go back to the start of this discussion, way back before poor Generali was banned (does anyone know how he is?), Labour's model for funding is based on peoples' quantitative easing, some tax rises, and issuing bonds for nationalised industries, followed by increased tax revenue from an expanding economy.


This is in contrast to Tory austerity which is impoverishing people at a faster rate than state borrowing will do.


There is a ton of "everybody knows" whataboutery in this thread and very little actual dissection of Labour's spending plans. Firstly, 30% of the national debt that we owe is to ourselves. Apparently it's fine for Tory governments to print billions of pounds to give to banks to enrich their own balance sheets, but if a Labour government wants to do the same for capital infrastructure it's the return of Mao.

Public spending has gone up every year since 2010 and we're still borrowing tens of billions every year to fund it. You call that austerity? Get a grip.

GreatApe

Arklight wrote: »

Your view of Britain's economy is so far at variance with the majority of the electorate who would now vote for a Labour government, I can't see any point debating with you.

The problem is people project their own problems onto the economy/government and labor encourages this and the Tories do nothing to dispel it

Our economic system is great
We have high wages & close to zero unemployment
That does not mean everything and everyone is perfect but it does mean things are good

What your invective boils down to is that Toryism has worked out very well for you, therefore everyone should vote Tory and if Toryism doesn't work out for them then they are just idiots who deserve to starve and die.

No that is not what I said, I said communism is dangerous and doesn't work
I said socialist capitalist systems do work and seem to work fine for a range of 30-50% of the GDP as government.

Do you not see that your views are the extreme? I am just stating what exists and what works

As you are apparently a self taught genius who awarded himself a 1st in Physics from his parents' basement in the time it would take an untermensch at an ex-Poly to register for Freshers Week, you might want to look up the meaning of the term, 'begging the question,' in formal logic.

I dont recall saying that.

Otherwise may I merely congratulate on personifying every attribute of disdain, superiority and myopic self obsessed heartlessness that perfectly summarises the Tory supporter and their soon to be ex-government.

More than half the country voted in a right leaning MP
Your hate for your fellow citizens wont get you far