Corbynomics: A Dystopia

gadgetmind

ilovehouses wrote: »

The reality is that with any success or failure there's an element of luck involved.

Oh, for sure, but some people seem to be very good at being "lucky" over and over again, whereas others seem to have bad luck always on their tail.

I trust luck to such an extent that I don't gamble and have never done the lottery. If I'm going to succeed, then it's from my own labours and not down to blind luck.

System

mrginge wrote: »

If your aim is to state the bleeding obvious then yes it does.

It's not obvious to everyone. Some have been telling themselves their good fortune is more down to being awesome than being lucky and awesome shouldn't be taxed.

mrginge wrote: »

It doesn’t contribute anything towards answering the question of whether higher intelligence leads to a better future though.

I wasn't trying to answer that question.

System

gadgetmind wrote: »

Oh, for sure, but some people seem to be very good at being "lucky" over and over again, whereas others seem to have bad luck always on their tail.

You don't get good or bad at being lucky.

gadgetmind wrote: »

I trust luck to such an extent that I don't gamble and have never done the lottery. If I'm going to succeed, then it's from my own labours and not down to blind luck.

We're not even close to being on the same page. Not doing the lottery or having a flutter on the Grand National doesn't take luck out of the equation.

gadgetmind

ilovehouses wrote: »

You don't get good or bad at being lucky.

I'm with Seneca: "Luck is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity. "

We're not even close to being on the same page. Not doing the lottery or having a flutter on the Grand National doesn't take luck out of the equation.

Luck isn't in my equation. I try to eliminate chance, but it still intrudes, sometimes positively and sometimes not so much. I don't rely on the positive and I try to defend against the negative.

I don't accept that we're all being blown around by the wind and where we end up is down to chance.

scaredofdebt

GreatApe wrote: »

The power of group think and confirmation bias

UK wages are one of the highest in the world
They are also better than next door France (of course dependant on the exchange rate but most of the time the exchange rate is such that the UK economy and UK wages are higher)

This is despite us contributing more foreign aid than France
Despite spending our 2% commitment in defense while the EU freeloads
Despite the French getting big agricultural subsidies and despite UK making big net EU contribution

Where are you getting those figures from?

antrobus

gadgetmind wrote: »

I'm with Seneca: "Luck is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity. "

On a point of order.

Attributed to.

Wkiquote suggests it is a distortion of something a friend told him about wrestlers.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Seneca_the_Younger

But there is still sense in the quote.

antrobus

scaredofdebt wrote: »

Where are you getting those figures from?

Wiki repeats the OECD numbers.

List of countries by average wage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage

The UK is no 15.

Moby

Boredatwrork wrote: »

I'm 42, I am not part of the boomer generation, but I can tell you, many boomers are not even close to living this highlife you describe, and a lot of them worked bloody hard to achieve what is now considered an average standard of living.

1. Do you honestly think they all sat around a table working out how they can screw over future generations?
2. Would you not take opportunities in your life to better yourself and family financially if they were on offer, do you not do that now (whats this website called again)
3. Do you honestly believe you would forfeit buying property or investing money etc, because of concern for future generations, Surely you just do what you think is right in your life at the time based on your situation, like me, your parents, your family and friends and most others including the baby boomer generation, businesses, organizations and politicians, what supreme sacrifices have you made so far in your life to save mankind for the greater good, can you list specific examples, thanks.

The more I read your posts, the more I just see the typical guardian reader throwing stones and having a tantrum, pointing fingers, the eternal victim. You act like it would be so easy if the system was more suited to you where you just given a chance, you act like nobody else or other generation has had issues or their own set of problems in their day, most everybody on this planet has felt like that, some then choose to do something about it, some don't, that's life.

Can I ask you, if you had of been born a boomer, what specific changes you would of made in your life, what sacrifices you would of made to ensure you were not one of those you accuse of "Pulling up the ladder"?
I would love to know what cultural revolution you would would of started to fix something you (like most others) would not of been even aware of, tell me what moves you would of made as a pillar of society, a bastion of humanity?

You just have an axe to grind, because you feel you have some right and are justified, like theirs some grand conspiracy, most people are just trying to get by mate, the boomers are as much a victim of other generations as you are of theirs, get over it, get this Labour victim mentality out of your head.

I have no idea what you are accusing me of because you clearly understand very little of what I say. It seems to me you have simply twisted what I say to fit in with your belief system about 'my type'. Your ad hominem attack is based on a lack of principle behind your view of the world. I don't accept that you do what you do because you believe it is 'right'. I think tories main driver is self interest and they justify it by saying the world is imperfect and communism never works so charity begins at home etc. How very convenient that is! How complacent!This is relevant because you see this response to Corbyn time and time again from the right. He makes people feel uncomfortable and those who can't accept what he says lash out with ad hominem attacks about him being a communist, a terrorist sympathiser etc! I'm actually someone who has done ok but at least I know it and realise there is unfairness. Most reasonable people now accept that the balance between my own generation, (boomers) and those generations following is wrong. This includes the tax, property, education systems etc. Don't try and justify self interest by saying you just took advantage of the benefits available to your generation like anyone else would. How lame that is! I'm not saying people should become revolutionaries etc.....but the tax system etc is clearly wrong and the Labour manifesto was hardly radical. Supreme sacrifices are not necessary, but adjustments are. The politics of austerity has not worked and affects those people who can least afford it. How can that possibly be fair?

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

Envious people like to attribute other people's success to luck. It makes them feel better about wanting to rob them.

Here's some more excuses for you:-


https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2014/6/24/nine-reasons-rich-people-dont-give-away-more-money.html

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

. Most reasonable people now accept that the balance between my own generation, (boomers) and those generations following is wrong. This includes the tax, property, education systems etc. ?

I don't accept and I don't think most people accept. The tax burden has not change in fact income tax is lower now, property is more expensive but not to the extent that some people make out, the education system is much better now OK if your earn enough you have to pay towards your degree but as a boomer I like the majority of my peers had no chance of further education and many in fact left school a 15. Also I think generation X had in no worse in fact probably had it better than many people boomers. The younger generation face many problems but not those on your list. The main thing that has been done to the benefit of pensioners (notice I say pensioners and not boomers) is the pension triple lock and Labour have guaranteed that.