Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Arklight

Sleazebag Fallon has resigned his post with a hint that there are more ministers to come. Well yes, we are two terms into being led by a Tory government and are just getting into the corruption scandals, misappropriation of election funds fiascos, so naturally the sleaze follows. I wonder if they can find David Mellor to make a come back.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

True I suppose you could extend it even further and say how many 10 year olds are sent down the mines now or up the chimneys of the rich. I agree in absolute terms things have been worse..... thanks to people fighting for their rights through unions etc conditions improve. Like my family you worked as a miner so you'd appreciate the unions. Lets not get complacent though the forces of darkness are always trying to find new ways to screw you and your kin.

We are feeding off a huge mountain of cheap debt. The gap between the base rate and the standard variable rate for mortgages has never been bigger. Things are not going to get easier for house buying are they. Who will that hit hardest?

Yet you criticise many of the people who did exactly what you say.

The problem with house prices is a shortage of properties in the areas where they are needed the most.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

Sleazebag Fallon has resigned his post with a hint that there are more ministers to come. Well yes, we are two terms into being led by a Tory government and are just getting into the corruption scandals, misappropriation of election funds fiascos, so naturally the sleaze follows. I wonder if they can find David Mellor to make a come back.

You really think this is just restricted to the Tories one Labour politician has already been accused of rape.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

You really think this is just restricted to the Tories one Labour politician has already been accused of rape.

Anyone culpable of sexual harassment should leave their post immediately, and I am sure it isn't just the Tories.

However I think we are all aware that you would have to be monumentally optimistic to assume that the Tories won't be the worst offenders, and it isn't Labour who are tottering in government with the opinion polls against them.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

Anyone culpable of sexual harassment should leave their post immediately, and I am sure it isn't just the Tories.

However I think we are all aware that you would have to be monumentally optimistic to assume that the Tories won't be the worst offenders, and it isn't Labour who are tottering in government with the opinion polls against them.

You are just clutching at straws hoping for a GE which you think Labour will win, which is far from being a foregone conclusion.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Arklight wrote: »

you would have to be monumentally optimistic to assume that the Tories won't be the worst offenders

So far, there has been only one allegation of serious sexual assault. And it wasn't against a Tory.

phillw

Moby wrote: »

The gap between the base rate and the standard variable rate for mortgages has never been bigger. Things are not going to get easier for house buying are they. Who will that hit hardest?

Mortgage lenders don't borrow at bank of england base rate, which has been held artificially low.
We'll have to see what happens, but I don't think there is justification to pass a bank of england raise onto SVR customers.

Arklight wrote: »

Anyone culpable of sexual harassment should leave their post immediately, and I am sure it isn't just the Tories.

Yeah, unattractive people need to learn their place.

buglawton wrote: »

Does that mean their prospects now are unimaginably good or unimaginably bad?

I think my brain would have exploded if I'd had an iphone in the 1970's. So life would appear to be pretty darned good these days.

westernpromise wrote: »

Envious people like to attribute other people's success to luck. It makes them feel better about wanting to rob them.

Arrogant people don't want to admit their success is down to dumb luck and the ability to persevere (which is often also down to dumb luck).

economic

phillw wrote: »

Arrogant people don't want to admit their success is down to dumb luck and the ability to persevere (which is often also down to dumb luck).

very true!!!

Boredatwrork

Moby wrote: »

I have no idea what you are accusing me of because you clearly understand very little of what I say. It seems to me you have simply twisted what I say to fit in with your belief system about 'my type'. Your ad hominem attack is based on a lack of principle behind your view of the world. I don't accept that you do what you do because you believe it is 'right'. I think tories main driver is self interest and they justify it by saying the world is imperfect and communism never works so charity begins at home etc. How very convenient that is! How complacent!

My post was in response (as was quoted clearly) and referenced below:
"I'm glad to say that more and more young people are beginning to see these well worn boomer tropes for what they are. 'This country' as you put it is actually far more than the self interested values of the typical flag waving tory. Sorry about that. I know it's hard to change."

Ad homninen attacks you say!, this whole thread is littered with you accusing people of this and that long before I turned up, a five minute glance back through this pages shows you clearly bring that in long before many others have in regards to trying to stereotype people. Even in the same sentence you are talking what you perceive as my principles, I and other have posted what we believe the right and left principles are, rather than try and learn/understand (no one demands you must agree), you would rather stick to your own prejudice. How is that any less bigoted, you are like a mouse in a maze continuity banging its head against the same wall.

Moby wrote: »

This is relevant because you see this response to Corbyn time and time again from the right. He makes people feel uncomfortable and those who can't accept what he says lash out with ad hominem attacks about him being a communist, a terrorist sympathiser etc!

I am not scared of Corbyn, personally I think he had his five minutes and he ended up 50+ seats below, by the time of the next election things will have changed, not to mention he is 68 years old, the age of retirement, how long has he got practically. My main criticism of him is hold over his cult of people who appear to have wandered into politics assuming his is some kind of messiah, the naivety of many of his followers that he is quite happy to exploit.

Moby wrote: »

I'm actually someone who has done ok but at least I know it and realise there is unfairness.

Who doesn't, Who has made that claim? That still doesn't detract from the principle that in life, for most you have to make your own luck.

Moby wrote: »

Most reasonable people now accept that the balance between my own generation, (boomers) and those generations following is wrong. This includes the tax, property, education systems etc. Don't try and justify self interest by saying you just took advantage of the benefits available to your generation like anyone else would. How lame that is!

Do you live on bread and water, did you downsize your home, and then give all your money to charities, or is it just talk like the rest of us, what steps have you made personally, please list them...I already asked this i the last post remember, twice in fact, you ignored them then, third time lucky perhaps.

Moby wrote: »

I'm not saying people should become revolutionaries etc.....but the tax system etc is clearly wrong and the Labour manifesto was hardly radical. Supreme sacrifices are not necessary, but adjustments are. The politics of austerity has not worked and affects those people who can least afford it. How can that possibly be fair?

The tax system is dynamic, and allows for external and external factors, it cannot be looked at as a single element, as it has a domino effect (why does this need pointing out), its not as simple as just raising for most wealthy. Why is it wrong in your opinion? I believe you have to be earning a minimum of £30k ish before you become anything more than a beneficiary in the first place.
The policy of austerity was to reduce the deficit in the main it has worked and saved future generations of further financial hardship (why are you against not shacking future generations with our own problems, seems a bit selfish), but once again we are back to the same point I and others have made to you.

Let me explain it to you again . Unless you are disabled (which I agree you then should get financial help from the state), there is very little reason for you not to pull yourself out of poverty in the UK.

Thousands of people do it every year, the jobs are here there are also millions of foreign people who come from much much worse situations have come here earnt and brought property, half of these don't have English as a first language, have little knowledge of the countries geographic/economy/laws ect, yet they have flourished, what separates them to anyone in the UK, apart from their immediate disadvantages?

Basically if you want to improve your lot in life, get a partner both work and don't have children too early. That's really all it takes to be a success here, "help to buy" schemes will get you on the housing ladder if you cant afford the traditional route, and self motivation will do the rest.

Fella

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Young adults today enjoy a standard of living unimaginable to the young adults of the 1970s. So yes, the balance may well be wrong.

And many of them will inherit a house that will make them an instant millionaire to boot.