Corbynomics: A Dystopia

GreatApe

It is almost besides the point if communism can or can not work.
The fact is capitalism does work and works well

When I listened to that fool McDonnell salivating at the 2008 crash as proof he had been waiting a lifetime for that capitalism didn't work I laugh at the man. The idiot is admitting that capitalism worked well for decades and continues to work well, his best anti capitalism stance is that recessions happen once in a while. Talk about looking at a cup 99% full and crying that it is 1% empty

.string.

LHW99 wrote: »

I'm never quite sure why you can have elite training for footballers, athletics, tennis and what have you for those youngsters who have gifts in that line, and arrange for considerable sums of money to be available to provide it for that small minority, whereas it is unacceptable to provide a similar level of "elite training" for those who have two left feet, but the ability to work with abstract concepts, abstruse mathematics or cyberspace tecknology. They seem to have to put up with trying to get through the normal education system, which isn't widely geared up to cope with and encourage those kind of skills.

I guess one reason might be that 40,000 people plus are unlikely to turn up and watch a mathematician thinking for a couple of hours.

Cakeguts

LHW99 wrote: »

I'm never quite sure why you can have elite training for footballers, athletics, tennis and what have you for those youngsters who have gifts in that line, and arrange for considerable sums of money to be available to provide it for that small minority, whereas it is unacceptable to provide a similar level of "elite training" for those who have two left feet, but the ability to work with abstract concepts, abstruse mathematics or cyberspace tecknology. They seem to have to put up with trying to get through the normal education system, which isn't widely geared up to cope with and encourage those kind of skills.

It is worse than that. Politicians will quite happily make public money available to send children to specialist music schools while at the same time trying to close all grammar schools and prevent intelligent gifted children from going to private schools where they will be stretched. It seems that it is OK to be gifted in an arts subject like music or dance but it isn't alright to be academically gifted.

The music and dance one is really really odd since someone who is gifted at dance or music doesn't usually actually study the subject at school they usually do it in their spare time so why they have to go to a specialist school when they don't do it at school anyway seems odd to me.

LHW99

I guess one reason might be that 40,000 people plus are unlikely to turn up and watch a mathematician thinking for a couple of hours.

True, but the result of that thinking may well provide more useful results to society over a longer time frame than even the most gifted of professional sportsman.

Moby

LHW99 wrote: »

True, but the result of that thinking may well provide more useful results to society over a longer time frame than even the most gifted of professional sportsman.

I think qualities that are beneficial to society but are available cheaply can result in low reward, low status......think of nurses, carers etc. In contrast footballers get rewarded the way they do because humans are often very shallow. We like the buzz of spectacle, excitement etc and we are prepared to pay £50 upwards a head for 90 mins worth:eek:

I suppose people push to the back of their minds that they've just shelled out a huge wedge at a match and give little thought that the person who actually has the huge responsibility for caring for say..... their dear old mum that they tell everyone they adore, is on 8 quid an hour. The same person will soon complain if the care is shoddy of course and will justify the disparity by thinking... them's the rules of the market place. Of course when things go wrong, or there is some form of neglect/abuse the significance of such generally under valued roles suddenly matters a great deal.

Moby

GreatApe wrote: »

It is almost besides the point if communism can or can not work.
The fact is capitalism does work and works well

When I listened to that fool McDonnell salivating at the 2008 crash as proof he had been waiting a lifetime for that capitalism didn't work I laugh at the man. The idiot is admitting that capitalism worked well for decades and continues to work well, his best anti capitalism stance is that recessions happen once in a while. Talk about looking at a cup 99% full and crying that it is 1% empty

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-public-spending-same-2008-ifs-ten-years-austerity-national-income-labour-tory-government-a8023511.html

The major report from the UK’s leading economic think tank shows that deep cuts have left the NHS, schools and prisons in a “fragile state”, and have merely returned public spending to pre-financial crisis levels.

The document presents a challenge to claims that Conservative-driven austerity saved the public finances following years of Labour overspending.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-public-spending-same-2008-ifs-ten-years-austerity-national-income-labour-tory-government-a8023511.html

The problem is that Corbyn's Labour Party don't have the solutions they are just promising things that are not achievable in the way and time scale they proposing.

Enterprise_1701C

Corbyn would promise anything if he thought it would get the votes, it would only be AFTER they got in that people would realise they voted in a communist government that had absolutely no intention of doing anything other than releasing the unions and wrecking the country.

One such promise in point. Someone asked him if he would make the minimum wage for teenagers £10 (the same as he promised for 21+ iirc), and he instantly agreed.

Now, that sounds great to teenagers. What they do not take into account is who in their right mind would employ inexperienced, untried and possibly lackadaisical teenagers when they could employ someone with experience for the same price? If he made the minimum wage the same he would in one fell swoop stop employers employing them.

Moby

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Corbyn would promise anything if he thought it would get the votes, it would only be AFTER they got in that people would realise they voted in a communist government that had absolutely no intention of doing anything other than releasing the unions and wrecking the country.

One such promise in point. Someone asked him if he would make the minimum wage for teenagers £10 (the same as he promised for 21+ iirc), and he instantly agreed.

Now, that sounds great to teenagers. What they do not take into account is who in their right mind would employ inexperienced, untried and possibly lackadaisical teenagers when they could employ someone with experience for the same price? If he made the minimum wage the same he would in one fell swoop stop employers employing them.

I think this is where many are wrong about Corbyn. Corbyn is not an opportunist politician. He really believes the things he says. Boris is an opportunist politician. He wrote two speeches for the Telegraph, one pro and one anti brexit. Calling Corbyn a 'communist' and reviving the unions wrecking the economy cliche is simplistic and losing it's potency as an argument because the younger generations only remember what we have now and they are not content. Besides the future doesn't necessarily have to be like the past.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Moby wrote: »

Corbyn is not an opportunist politician.

I beg your pardon?

Spent a lifetime campaigning against the EU and then supported Remain?
Indicated at the GE he would write off student debts and then backtracked weeks later?