Corbynomics: A Dystopia

economic

gadgetmind wrote: »

How much people read into your inability to start a sentence with a capital letter. It may seem petty, but seriously ...

As for the rest, nurture is way more important than nature IMO, but people can (and have, and always will) overcome both if they have the will, and given the will they can make the way.

what you say is all nice to say to motivate people but in reality you dont know anything unless you yourself have gone through mental problems. your brain is very hard to change the older you get and what experiences you have when you are young coupled with genetics is what is the biggest factor in someones quality of life. not saying it is impossible but it is very difficult to do even with therapy.

intelligence is shown to be genetic mainly. your cognitive ability is linked to intelligence/IQ and so therefore is also at least partly genetic. this determines a lot about success in life.

GreatApe

gadgetmind wrote: »

Yes, the old nature versus nurture, but the brain is like a muscle. Work it hard and it becomes strong and flexible. Take the easy option at every turn, feed it a diet of junk media, don't engage with abstractions and complexity, and it will wither on the vine.

The way the brain works is extremely fascinating

In theory all humans have the hardware necessary to be as smart as Nobel prize winning professors.

The software however is different. Not only for intelligence but for even things like vision and smell. Evert human that can see has a completely different neural network that allows their brain to 'see'. How amazing is that 7 billion humans with 7 billion different pieces of vision software in their brains

Sadly we don't know how to program a mind. A child's character is pretty much set by the age of 5 if not sooner. That means the software for the brain is mostly set by around age five. This may even be true for raw intelligence.

One of the misconceptions is that learning stuff makes you more intelligent it might do but it mostly doesn't. Getting higher grades also doesn't mean you have improved your intelligence knowing more stuff doesn't mean you have improved your intelligence. Intelligence should perhaps be thought of as the processor speed in a computer. The stuff we know and the talents we acquire over time more like the information on the hard drive. People can add a whole lot of information to the hard drive but it doesn't really improve the speed of the processor.

If anything as we age the processor slows down. We can hide this by adding more stuff to the hard drive as we age. Raw intelligence seems to peak around age 20 and then goes down with time.

There is an argument to be made that if someone figures out a way to improve raw intelligence that would be a bigger more important breakthrough than curing cancer.

GreatApe

economic wrote: »

what you say is all nice to say to motivate people but in reality you dont know anything unless you yourself have gone through mental problems. your brain is very hard to change the older you get and what experiences you have when you are young coupled with genetics is what is the biggest factor in someones quality of life. not saying it is impossible but it is very difficult to do even with therapy.

intelligence is shown to be genetic mainly. your cognitive ability is linked to intelligence/IQ and so therefore is also at least partly genetic. this determines a lot about success in life.

We are the software in our brain.

Changing your brain is as difficult as changing your character literally changing who you are.

It can be done as some people who suffer big head trauma and recover from it become new people. Literally new people. Same body just a different person. Some people also have parts of their brain removed one young girl in the States had almost 50% of her brain removed and she functions and seems very normal again showing that we are not our brains but the software on our brains

But as you note its almost impossible with our current understanding to change things. I think it will come and perhaps within our lifetimes but I don't know if we could call ourselves human after that point. Certainly we would have evolved past the point of being great apes by that stage.

Its actually somewhat scary. All this leads to the view that we are not fully (if at all) in control of our actions and our thoughts. We have the illusion of free will. Maybe that is why AI won't take over it will be aware it has no free will. Maybe that is good maybe it is bad it wont have morals good or bad it will just be a wxtrnely fast calculator capable of calculating anything and everything including discovering all the discoveries yet to be made.

Crazy stuff all this.
Best not to think too much about it

GreatApe

gadgetmind wrote: »

How much people read into your inability to start a sentence with a capital letter. It may seem petty, but seriously ...

As for the rest, nurture is way more important than nature IMO, but people can (and have, and always will) overcome both if they have the will, and given the will they can make the way.

There probably isn't any free will we just have the illusion of it

https://youtu.be/_FanhvXO9Pk

Moby

gadgetmind wrote: »

How much people read into your inability to start a sentence with a capital letter. It may seem petty, but seriously ...

As for the rest, nurture is way more important than nature IMO, but people can (and have, and always will) overcome both if they have the will, and given the will they can make the way.

Simplistic in the extreme. The level of 'will' people have in the first place is affected by their nurture. Do you think an abused child brought up in care has as much resilience and will power as a child raised in a nuturing home by parents who tell him he can do anything?

Moby

gadgetmind wrote: »

You mean keep pointing out Labour's flaws, and how Comrade Corbyn seems determined to repeat an experiment that's always resulted in disaster? Yes, we'll keep doing that because we care about this country. Sorry about that.

I'm glad to say that more and more young people are beginning to see these well worn boomer tropes for what they are. 'This country' as you put it is actually far more than the self interested values of the typical flag waving tory. Sorry about that. I know it's hard to change.;)

Moby

GreatApe wrote: »

A think tank

Say that once more. A think tank

A think tank

A....think...tank

:rotfl:


Why should I or anyone believe a 'think tank'?

When was the last time a think tank solved any real problems.
Are they scientists working on new medicines
Are they engineers working on new machines

No they are just a group of people like you and me.
Instead of saying hey world I Moby have an idea and this is it....
They say we are a think tank and here is a report

No I agree we should listen to your philosophical musings on the workings of the human mind instead.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

I'm glad to say that more and more young people are beginning to see these well worn boomer tropes for what they are. 'This country' as you put it is actually far more than the self interested values of the typical flag waving tory. Sorry about that. I know it's hard to change.;)

Who was it that fought for better working conditions in the 70s and early 80s tarring a complete age group because many don't share your views does nothing to improve your argument.

System

gadgetmind wrote: »

As for the rest, nurture is way more important than nature IMO, but people can (and have, and always will) overcome both if they have the will, and given the will they can make the way.

Are willpower and determination attributes only special people have? You know; those special people born with a UK passport, into a rich, safe country with decent education and healthcare who can afford to chew the fat on a weekday morning on an internet forum.

Or do you think there might just be an element of randomness?

Boredatwrork

Moby wrote: »

I'm glad to say that more and more young people are beginning to see these well worn boomer tropes for what they are. 'This country' as you put it is actually far more than the self interested values of the typical flag waving tory. Sorry about that. I know it's hard to change.;)

I'm 42, I am not part of the boomer generation, but I can tell you, many boomers are not even close to living this highlife you describe, and a lot of them worked bloody hard to achieve what is now considered an average standard of living.

1. Do you honestly think they all sat around a table working out how they can screw over future generations?
2. Would you not take opportunities in your life to better yourself and family financially if they were on offer, do you not do that now (whats this website called again)
3. Do you honestly believe you would forfeit buying property or investing money etc, because of concern for future generations, Surely you just do what you think is right in your life at the time based on your situation, like me, your parents, your family and friends and most others including the baby boomer generation, businesses, organizations and politicians, what supreme sacrifices have you made so far in your life to save mankind for the greater good, can you list specific examples, thanks.

The more I read your posts, the more I just see the typical guardian reader throwing stones and having a tantrum, pointing fingers, the eternal victim. You act like it would be so easy if the system was more suited to you where you just given a chance, you act like nobody else or other generation has had issues or their own set of problems in their day, most everybody on this planet has felt like that, some then choose to do something about it, some don't, that's life.

Can I ask you, if you had of been born a boomer, what specific changes you would of made in your life, what sacrifices you would of made to ensure you were not one of those you accuse of "Pulling up the ladder"?
I would love to know what cultural revolution you would would of started to fix something you (like most others) would not of been even aware of, tell me what moves you would of made as a pillar of society, a bastion of humanity?

You just have an axe to grind, because you feel you have some right and are justified, like theirs some grand conspiracy, most people are just trying to get by mate, the boomers are as much a victim of other generations as you are of theirs, get over it, get this Labour victim mentality out of your head.