Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Moby

posh*spice wrote: »

The fact that the majority of LP MPs are on opposite side from both Dennis Skinner and Frank Field says it all.

The Labour Party is now the party of the Liberal London elites who care only about neo-liberal economic policies and making themselves rich.

Lol I think the last people Jezza represents are the Liberal London elites. For a start he has huge support amongst ethnic minorities and public service workers. Also I hardly think his economic policies are 'neo liberal'. He's usually attacked for having economic policies which are a throwback to the 70's. How do you get so much wrong in so few words?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

setmefree2 wrote: »

That's because all you lefties can't engage in debate without getting banned.

Although they do have a habit of resurfacing and/or appearing in a variety of guises.
Strangely they don't much like it when others do the same.


Stinging from his Withdrawal Bill failure, Corbyn immediately plots a fresh rebellion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/12/labour-vows-curtail-henry-viii-powers-failing-derail-repeal/
Paywalled - but you get the idea.

Moby

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Although they do have a habit of resurfacing and/or appearing in a variety of guises.
Strangely they don't much like it when others do the same.


Stinging from his Withdrawal Bill failure, Corbyn immediately plots a fresh rebellion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/12/labour-vows-curtail-henry-viii-powers-failing-derail-repeal/
Paywalled - but you get the idea.

What? I've always posted as Moby. I don't have any other usernames!

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Lol I think the last people Jezza represents are the Liberal London elites. For a start he has huge support amongst ethnic minorities and public service workers. Also I hardly think his economic policies are 'neo liberal'. He's usually attacked for having economic policies which are a throwback to the 70's. How do you get so much wrong in so few words?

More than three quarters of Labour Party members are now drawn from the most affluent social classes in Britain, making somewhat of a mockery of your claim. Professor Tim Bale’s Party Members Project finds that 77% of surveyed Labour members are in the ABC1 social group. ABC1s are Britain’s richest and most-educated, working in professional or managerial jobs. The proportion of ABC1 Labour members has also increased since the last survey (and since Corbyn became leader): ABC1 members are up 7% from from 70% in 2015. The C2DE classes – who work in manual jobs, and whom Labour traditionally represents – now account for just 23% of the party’s membership. Naturally, in its exclusive write-up of the findings, the Guardian buried this demographic info in the second-to-last paragraph.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

Sweden, Denmark, Norway and furthermore it seems those are countries where taxes are quite high and the state intervenes in the well being of the public quite effectively.

You are aware all 3 are run by Conservatives (I think??)? Even in coalition, the conservatives are the dominant party.


I had no idea you were this into Conservatives, baby.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

What? I've always posted as Moby. I don't have any other usernames!

Ooh, a bit quick that!
I didn't see your name mentioned in my post.
"all you lefties" is what was said.
You aren't all of 'em are you Moby?
Oh, no you're not.
You said already.

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

More than three quarters of Labour Party members are now drawn from the most affluent social classes in Britain, making somewhat of a mockery of your claim. Professor Tim Bale’s Party Members Project finds that 77% of surveyed Labour members are in the ABC1 social group. ABC1s are Britain’s richest and most-educated, working in professional or managerial jobs. The proportion of ABC1 Labour members has also increased since the last survey (and since Corbyn became leader): ABC1 members are up 7% from from 70% in 2015. The C2DE classes – who work in manual jobs, and whom Labour traditionally represents – now account for just 23% of the party’s membership. Naturally, in its exclusive write-up of the findings, the Guardian buried this demographic info in the second-to-last paragraph.

If that's the case and I've not read the research it makes a mockery of the contention that Labour under Corbyn is full of extreme Trotskyists. Can't have it both ways!.... and at least Labour is not made up of an even more limited demographic like the tories are!

Moby

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ooh, a bit quick that!
I didn't see your name mentioned in my post.
"all you lefties" is what was said.
You aren't all of 'em are you Moby?
Oh, no you're not.
You said already.

No problem!

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

You are aware all 3 are run by Conservatives (I think??)? Even in coalition, the conservatives are the dominant party.


I had no idea you were this into Conservatives, baby.

Depends what they do....their Conservatives would be regarded as Socialists in this country. Posh made the same mistake.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Depends what they do....their Conservatives would be regarded as Socialists in this country. Posh made the same mistake.

The Norwegian Conservative Party (AKA Hoyre) entered office based on promises of tax cuts, better services and stricter rules on immigration. The Party generally supports privatization, tougher law and order measurers, committed to fiscal free market policies, including tax cuts and relatively little government involvement in the economy. It is also the only party in the Storting which proposes a reduction in public spending. The party is often associated with wealth and has historically been attacked by the left for defending the country's richest, though this argument is rarely presented any more.

Sounds pretty conservative to me and not at all socialist.

Their coalition partners - Progress

The Progress Party is a political party in Norway which identifies as classical liberal (libertarian) and conservative-liberal. Academics broadly categorise the party as neoliberal populist. Founded by Anders Lange in 1973 as an anti-tax protest movement, the party values individual freedom strongly, supports market liberalism, and advocates downsizing bureaucracy and the public sector.The party also seek a more restrictive immigration policy and tougher integration and law and order measures. In foreign policy it is strongly Atlanticist, and pro-globalization.

That sounds not very socialist too.