Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Moby

Cakeguts wrote: »

No. I didn't need to do that they manage to make me dislike them without me having to do that.

Where did you get your info from then? I go to Labour Party meetings all the time and apart from one incident of arguing when I was shouted down by Momentum members Ive encountered nothing hostile or sinister. The attempts by the gutter press to paint them as dangerous fifth columnists is rubbish. There are a few extremist types amongst them but they hold no sway. Every party has its lunatic fringe.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

Where did you get your info from then? I go to Labour Party meetings all the time and apart from one incident of arguing when I was shouted down by Momentum members Ive encountered nothing hostile or sinister. The attempts by the gutter press to paint them as dangerous fifth columnists is rubbish. There are a few extremist types amongst them but they hold no sway. Every party has its lunatic fringe.

Maybe from the mouths of people like Tom Watson?

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Maybe from the mouths of people like Tom Watson?

What you forget is the battles within Labour are not purely idealogical. No-one including me thought Corbyn could win....then the election changed the mood music. The internal anti Corbyn anti Momentum opposition has since decreased. Momentum have actually been credited with running a great campaign in which they also supported Labour MP's not sympathetic to their cause.
The smears will continue from the right wingers because they of course have their own agenda!

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

What you forget is the battles within Labour are not purely idealogical. No-one including me thought Corbyn could win....then the election changed the mood music. The internal anti Corbyn anti Momentum opposition has since decreased. Momentum have actually been credited with running a great campaign in which they also supported Labour MP's not sympathetic to their cause.
The smears will continue from the right wingers because they of course have their own agenda!

So was Tom lying?

It's not a smear, just asking if he was lying or not when he spoke about momentum and communists.

Moby

He was exaggerating to undermine Corbyn's position. As I said there are such extremists but they are actually very fringe. Don't believe what you read in the tabloids they accentuate the negatives about Labour day in day out.

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

He was exaggerating to undermine Corbyn's position. As I said there are such extremists but they are actually very fringe. Don't believe what you read in the tabloids they accentuate the negatives about Labour day in day out.

Negatives like the deputy leader undermining the leader?

Moby

mrginge wrote: »

Negatives like the deputy leader undermining the leader?

Amongst a lot of other things yes! The gutter press turn an argument into a crisis and smeared Corbyn throughout the election day in day out.

I wonder if those rags will publish this:-

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/10/barack-obama-rang-with-reassurance-for--theresa-may-on-election-night

The authors also reveal that May rarely visited party workers, fearing that Conservative HQ was “a pit of germs”. “There were quite a lot of germs flying around,” one Conservative source said.

When the prime minister did finally arrive to give a morale-boosting speech to staff, it was a rehash of her already wearily familiar stump speech. “It was all ‘strong and stable’ and the risks of Corbyn’s ‘coalition of chaos’. I couldn’t believe it,” one eyewitness said.

Fella

mrginge wrote: »

Negatives like the deputy leader undermining the leader?

Everytime anybody points out any of Corbyn's shameful acts or statements his minions rush to call it a smear. It's obviously how they've been briefed. They do the same thing with Dianne Abbott when people point out she's a racist who can't do even basic sums.

westernpromise

The "smears" consist of reminders of Corbyn's actual views.

It speaks volumes that even Corbyn supporters agree his opinions are so toxic that simply to associate him with them constitutes a smear.

setmefree2

With his latest witterings on Brexit, Tony Blair is fighting a war against his own irrelevance – and losing

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/tony-blair-andrew-marr-sunday-times-brexit-immigration-labour-jeremy-corbyn-irrelevant-a7939366.html