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Corbynomics: A Dystopia
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ruggedtoast wrote: »One thing I would like the Blarites to respond to is exactly what you think will happen when you oust Corbyn, which I accept will happen sooner or later.
Blair was hated, and replaced by Brown, who lost ignominiously.
The we had Ed. Good old Ed, he had the full support of the PLP, was on message with every single Blairite policy, and was up against an unpopular and divided coalition government that was composed of two unpopular and divided parties whose main policy was austerity.
He guaranteed an end to austerity.And he lost miserably.
What do you seriously think is going to happen when you fight the next election on exactly the same ticket on which you have lost the last two?
The fact is, it is your party that is dying.
Blair stole the Tories clothes and the Tories have stolen them right back again.
Labour is not the party of opposition, they have become the Conservative party that teachers married to higher rate taxpayers feel they can vote for.
That isn't an opposition, that is irrelevance.
There is a demand in the country for an actual left wing party that will oppose the Tories' business first neoliberalism.
If it isn't Labour it will be something else, but if you think you are making life hard for yourselves with Corbyn wait until you see your election results with a future Liz Kendall.
Forget everything else the man is too old I wouldn't put an x next to anyone who is 70 at the time of the election and needs to run the country until they are 75 and then try to win again and run it until 80 years old
under a first past the post system if labour splits into two and that splits the left vote then the Tories will win big time everywhere thanks to corbyn0 -
Forget everything else the man is too old I wouldn't put an x next to anyone who is 70 at the time of the election and needs to run the country until they are 75 and then try to win again and run it until 80 years old
Both Gladstone and Churchill were still PM aged 80 or over!'I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my father. Not screaming and terrified like his passengers.' (Bob Monkhouse).
Sky? Believe in better.
Note: win, draw or lose (not 'loose' - opposite of tight!)0 -
comments in Redruggedtoast wrote: »Blair was hated, and replaced by Brown, who lost ignominiously.
1997 election
very well liked
2001 election
still very well liked
The we had Ed. Good old Ed, he had the full support of the PLP, was on message with every single Blairite policy, and was up against an unpopular and divided coalition government that was composed of two unpopular and divided parties whose main policy was austerity.
He guaranteed an end to austerity.And he lost miserably.
Ed's leadership vote
as you can see both the PLP and Party members voted for the other Milliband, Ed got on the ticket as he was in the back pocked on the Unions, I was one of the voters that the unions turned blue that day.
The unions are coming out in force for Corbyn. The politics of old which have been time and time again rejected by the electorate.
What do you seriously think is going to happen when you fight the next election on exactly the same ticket on which you have lost the last two?
This is the completion of the swing from a successful left of center party to a left party that wont get anywhere, we've seen it before, we'll see it again.
The fact is, it is your party that is dying.
Blair stole the Tories clothes and the Tories have stolen them right back again.
Labour is not the party of opposition, they have become the Conservative party that teachers married to higher rate taxpayers feel they can vote for.
That isn't an opposition, that is irrelevance.
There is a demand in the country for an actual left wing party that will oppose the Tories' business first neoliberalism.
among who, again are you talking about the 250k people who voted for Corbyn, or the 12m people who voted for Labour?
If it isn't Labour it will be something else, but if you think you are making life hard for yourselves with Corbyn wait until you see your election results with a future Liz Kendall.0 -
Spidernick wrote: »Both Gladstone and Churchill were still PM aged 80 or over!
Churchill had multiple stokes and operations and was said to be considerably slower in his last term (which is a polite way of saying his mind was going)0 -
Spidernick wrote: »Both Gladstone and Churchill were still PM aged 80 or over!
But both Gladstone and Churchill had a long record in both politics and government before that time. In contrast, all Corbyn has is a thirty record as virtually anonymous backbencher.
He ain't no Gladstone, he ain't no Churchill.:)0 -
But both Gladstone and Churchill had a long record in both politics and government before that time. In contrast, all Corbyn has is a thirty record as virtually anonymous backbencher.
He ain't no Gladstone, he ain't no Churchill.:)
I certainly agree with that and never said he was. I am not a Corbyn supporter (quite the opposite), but my previous post was to respond to someone discounting Corbyn purely in respect of his age.
I take the earlier point re Churchill's health, but generally most people today are a lot healthier than 60 years ago. In the US, John McCain stood against Obama aged 71 in 2008 and is still a senator now (to give one example).'I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my father. Not screaming and terrified like his passengers.' (Bob Monkhouse).
Sky? Believe in better.
Note: win, draw or lose (not 'loose' - opposite of tight!)0 -
Things must be getting bad.
I see that the brothers and sisters in the head office are trying to work out who "owns" the CDs and good china tea set.........
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-assets-owns-jeremy-corbyn-leadership-a7121961.html
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Spidernick wrote: »I certainly agree with that and never said he was. I am not a Corbyn supporter (quite the opposite), but my previous post was to respond to someone discounting Corbyn purely in respect of his age.
I take the earlier point re Churchill's health, but generally most people today are a lot healthier than 60 years ago. In the US, John McCain stood against Obama aged 71 in 2008 and is still a senator now (to give one example).
I understand that McCain lost0 -
I understand that McCain lost
So did Ed Miliband last year, but I don't think that had anything to do with his age!
Reagan was well into his seventies when he won his second Presidential election. McCain was just a recent example of an active political 'oldie', so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?'I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my father. Not screaming and terrified like his passengers.' (Bob Monkhouse).
Sky? Believe in better.
Note: win, draw or lose (not 'loose' - opposite of tight!)0
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