Corbynomics: A Dystopia

antrobus

Malthusian wrote: »

That's pretty much what all the Momentites are saying. They don't care about electability because they view general elections as an irrelevance which will be swept away by the dialectical inevitability of the socialist revolution.

Winning in 2020 is not the issue. In fact losing badly in 2020 would be a good thing, if it cleared out the PLP. The priority is to change the composition of the PLP.

P.S. I'm not sure "dialectical inevitability". That implies a level of understanding of Marxism which I suspect is beyond the typical Corbynite.

ruggedtoast

Rinoa wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/06/defeated-labour-rebels-admit-its-finished-as-jeremy-corbyn-refus/

Labour rebels apparently admitting defeat. They can't remove him.

No they can't.

The bewilderment of the PLP as it attempts to completely ignore 80% of the people who fund and support it, in favour of what it thinks people who spent 3 seconds completing a ballot last year might want, is something to behold.

Its time the PLP accepted that the unions and their supporters are the party, and floating Tory / Lib Dem voters are not.

If you stand for nothing you fall for everything. The PLP is the living example of this axiom. A bunch of career politicians led by focus groups who are incapable of understanding that a large part of the country, especially younger people, want politics with principles and purpose.

From the article:

They added: "He is losing support of the membership by the day, there is no doubt about that, but they just sign up new members to replace them. He is Teflon in that sense."

What a joke. Firstly there is no evidence at all that members are leaving, 60,000 joined since the damp squib "coup".

Secondly - why don't they recruit some new members.

They are constantly bleating that Corbyn is a lame duck, an old fart, uninspiring, boring and unelectable, yet he brings more members to the Labour Party in a few months than all the Blairites put together can manage in 10 election losing years.

It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

gadgetmind

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I think even you can appreciate that World War II was different to the illegal and unnecessary invasion of Iraq. An action that has led to 179 British dead and upwards of a million Iraqi people.

I'm sure we can but I'm not at all convinced about Corbyn!

ruggedtoast

gadgetmind wrote: »

I'm sure we can but I'm not at all convinced about Corbyn!

If you want to look at the events of 1939 in context, rather than the "Boy's Bumper Edition of Britain Saves The World" that is commonly accepted, then WWII was not inevitable.

It was the result largely of the Treaty of Versailles and the British Empire's strategy of fomenting division on the Continent, to stop any one power threatening its ability to turn the map pink.

This led to the premature end of the laudable aims of the Weimar Republic.

By the time Hitler became Chancellor an oppressed and humiliated German people had decided that any change would be better than no change.

Of course Britain and America weren't too bothered about Hitler at the time. He may have been a right wing dictatorial maniac, but hey, at least he wasn't a goddamned socialist who thought that all people were created equal.

And that policy worked out about as well as every other time Britain and America have used it.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If you want to look at the events of 1939 in context, rather than the "Boy's Bumper Edition of Britain Saves The World" that is commonly accepted, then WWII was not inevitable.

It was the result largely of the Treaty of Versailles and the British Empire's strategy of fomenting division on the Continent, to stop any one power threatening its ability to turn the map pink.

This led to the premature end of the laudable aims of the Weimar Republic.

By the time Hitler became Chancellor an oppressed and humiliated German people had decided that any change would be better than no change.

Of course Britain and America weren't too bothered about Hitler at the time. He may have been a right wing dictatorial maniac, but hey, at least he wasn't a goddamned socialist who thought that all people were created equal.

And that policy worked out about as well as every other time Britain and America have used it.

Of course the WW2 had absolutley nothing to do with the murderous Soviet Empire that oppressed and starved the peoples of Easern Europe for 70 years.
Rather than rewrite history maybe spend more time thinking how best to apologise for the Labour party electing the IRA supporters and people who believe that Mao and Stalin were a force for good in the world.

Mistermeaner

Trouble with unions rugged is that they have long since stopped having any purpose in the U.K.. i deal with union officials from 2 of the biggest unions in the UK. They are completely venal and corrupt in it only for themselves and spend more time bickering internally than engaging with business for mutual benefit

Their presence gas resulted in an aged entutked and lazy workforce, switched employers off taking people on permanent contracts and led to people like me deciding to make investments in germany and spain instead of the U.K.

The unions exist for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. In complete contradiction to their raison deter

Spidernick

Mistermeaner wrote: »

raison deter

As Freudian slips go, that's a pretty good one!

Mistermeaner

Spidernick wrote: »

As Freudian slips go, that's a pretty good one!

auto spell

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

Of course the WW2 had absolutley nothing to do with the murderous Soviet Empire that oppressed and starved the peoples of Easern Europe for 70 years.
Rather than rewrite history maybe spend more time thinking how best to apologise for the Labour party electing the IRA supporters and people who believe that Mao and Stalin were a force for good in the world.

There really is no topic you know nothing about, is there?

Its like an almost panoptical level of ignorance.

ruggedtoast

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Trouble with unions rugged is that they have long since stopped having any purpose in the U.K.. i deal with union officials from 2 of the biggest unions in the UK. They are completely venal and corrupt in it only for themselves and spend more time bickering internally than engaging with business for mutual benefit

Their presence gas resulted in an aged entutked and lazy workforce, switched employers off taking people on permanent contracts and led to people like me deciding to make investments in germany and spain instead of the U.K.

The unions exist for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. In complete contradiction to their raison deter

Yes, thats what "people like you" like to say.