Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Mistermeaner

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yes, thats what "people like you" like to say.

yes and lots and lots of people like me

Ever wonder why union membership is declining year on year? Alot of their members see them for what they are - outdated archaic and self serving clubs

You may disagree but the majority don;t and in a democracy......

Buut by all means stick to your principles, and corbyn can too - you will find alot of comfort in shared views as the world moves very quickly passed you

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yes, thats what "people like you" like to say.

Still plenty in the public sector. Declining membership. Yet still manage to fill their working week with a 100% union business. Total self interest primarily politically driven and an air of impunity. No apparent interest in actually modernising working practices. Every day becoming less and less relevant. As becoming bypassed.

Jason74

Rinoa wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/06/defeated-labour-rebels-admit-its-finished-as-jeremy-corbyn-refus/

Labour rebels apparently admitting defeat. They can't remove him.

Oh well, 20 years of hard right Tories it is then. There won't be much left of the achievements of the postwar Labour Governments by then, but Rugged and his pals will be happy that the Labour party has stayed true to proper left principles. They might even be so busy being happy that they won't notice that there's not much of a Labour party left :mad::mad::mad:

martinsurrey

ruggedtoast wrote: »

No they can't.

The bewilderment of the PLP as it attempts to completely ignore 80% of the people who fund and support it, in favour of what it thinks people who spent 3 seconds completing a ballot last year might want, is something to behold.

I think you're rather exaggerating there.

80% is for registered supporters, £3 members, he got 88k of them, so thats £264k of funding


Full membership is around £50, Corbyn got 121,571 of them £6,078,550 of funding, total £6,342,550

and NOT Corbyn got 124k full members, which is £6,188,450

so funding is almost 50/50 and the full vote was 59% JC, nowhere near 80%...

ruggedtoast

Mistermeaner wrote: »

yes and lots and lots of people like me

Ever wonder why union membership is declining year on year? Alot of their members see them for what they are - outdated archaic and self serving clubs

You may disagree but the majority don;t and in a democracy......

Buut by all means stick to your principles, and corbyn can too - you will find alot of comfort in shared views as the world moves very quickly passed you

Union membership is declining year on year because we are being moved into a zero hours contract economic system that doesn't offer unionisation, and whole - previously unionised - workforces are being outsourced at a ferocious pace.

This is because of the neoliberal policies that you want the Labour Party to run even further toward.

People who actually care about social equality want jobs in the UK that pay a living wage, not a taxpayer subsidised minimum wage, with staff who have full time contracts.

This is the polar opposite of what the Tory Party and the PLP want.

The only opposition to this economic system of profit before people is Labour, led by Corbyn. If 140 members of the PLP have to drop off the planet rather than understand this then its a shame but so be it.

I am sure their friends in big business and Tory Party HQ will make sure they have some kind of gravy train to board for their loyal service to screwing over the poor.

martinsurrey

ruggedtoast wrote: »

What a joke. Firstly there is no evidence at all that members are leaving, 60,000 joined since the damp squib "coup".

Secondly - why don't they recruit some new members.

They are constantly bleating that Corbyn is a lame duck, an old fart, uninspiring, boring and unelectable, yet he brings more members to the Labour Party in a few months than all the Blairites put together can manage in 10 election losing years.

It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

they are right, MEMBERS are leaving.

registered supporters are not members.

martinsurrey

ruggedtoast wrote: »

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The only opposition to this economic system of profit before people is Labour, led by Corbyn. If 140 members of the PLP have to drop off the planet rather than understand this then its a shame but so be it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_Unionist_and_Socialist_Coalition

seems to mirror where the Labour party is heading.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Union membership is declining year on year because we are being moved into a zero hours contract economic system that doesn't offer unionisation, and whole - previously unionised - workforces are being outsourced at a ferocious pace.

Union membership has been in progressive decline for decades. The world started to change a long time ago. I used to belong to the ASTMS and was indeed a Union Rep. At least Clive Jenkins was a moderate that foresaw the impact of technology (the PC was then not a commercial product). Along with many others I left the Union due to the extreme politics that overpowered the discussion at local level.

mwpt

ruggedtoast wrote: »

This is because of the neoliberal policies that you want the Labour Party to run even further toward.

I've only been reading this forum for a few years so at the risk of asking you to repeat yourself, what is your alternative to neoliberalism?

Authoratarian government? Central planned economy?

ruggedtoast

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Union membership has been in progressive decline for decades. The world started to change a long time ago. I used to belong to the ASTMS and was indeed a Union Rep. At least Clive Jenkins was a moderate that foresaw the impact of technology (the PC was then not a commercial product). Along with many others I left the Union due to the extreme politics that overpowered the discussion at local level.

That's interesting because secure employment has been in progressive decline for decades, I wonder what the connection is.

Regardless of your own experiences in the ASTMS in the 80s, for many people joining the labour market now, union membership is their best and only chance at representation to their employers.

Their rights aren't going to be represented by the government, because their employers are paying off the government to ensure they have as few rights as possible.

Again though, this just appears to be another case of the baby boomers who have benefited enormously from unionised jobs and protected employment during their own careers, who now cry bureaucracy and inefficiency when the younger versions of them ask for the same thing, when entering the job market now.

Which is also the problem with the PLP. Like most mainstream politicians, they are only used to representing baby boomers. Their politics doeesn't work for younger people and they are unable to respond to the change in demand, which is why they / you are so upset by Corbyn.