Corbynomics: A Dystopia

martinsurrey

ukcarper wrote: »

You must try to stop blaming everything on boomers. I am not anti Union like the he majority of posters on here seem to be, having been in union all my working life I can see the benefits of membership.

Aren't a lot of the unions run by boomers.

and how much did the Prospect Union leader earn in 2012?

£200k+

thats for representing 34,000 people.

and we think politicians are overpaid!

ruggedtoast

ukcarper wrote: »

You must try to stop blaming everything on boomers. I am not anti Union like the he majority of posters on here seem to be, having been in union all my working life I can see the benefits of membership.

Aren't a lot of the unions run by boomers.

Everything is run by boomers!

The PLP keep talking about "the electorate" whereas what they mean is "the electorate who currently votes en masse"

18 - 45s are massively out voted by 45+, both as a percentage of eligible voters and numerically.

These age demographics are not especially different politically. They pretty much all want high house prices, free public services (for them) and low taxes fueled by cuts to public spending (not cuts to pensions which are 70% of the welfare bill, or retirement age benefits though).

They are more likely to own companies or be in management than younger generations and so respond to messages about "flexible employment", whereas younger people want to hear about job security.

Thatcher did a brilliant job at transferring wealth from two generations to one other one and making that one feel uniformly middle class.

But other generations have conspicuously missed out on that which is why a great many people would like the Labour Party to actually be the Labour Party again.

westernpromise

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Did you sit down and work out why your employers were offering such generous redundancy terms to encourage people to jump ship? Nothing better than jam today as they say.

They were all being acquired by competitors.

ruggedtoast

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's secure employment? Jobs for life. Not something I ever experienced in my working lifetime. Technology has changed the way we all work.

The emergence of China and India along with the fall of the Berlin Wall started the irrevocable change of the nature of the labour market. Along with a growing consumer society where more often or not. Both partners in a household want to work whether it full or part time.

China and India didn't "emerge", I assure you that they have been in place for thousands of years and their arrival is in no way recent.

What is novel is the propensity for Western countries, especially the UK and USA, to make vast swathes of their own citizens unemployed by outsourcing labour overseas. And then to look at the destruction that they have wrought in the communities where the jobs disappeared and say:

"These people are all poor and don't pay tax so what they want doesn't matter"

westernpromise

ruggedtoast wrote: »

18 - 45s are massively out voted by 45+, both as a percentage of eligible voters and numerically.

You know what? Tough 5h!t.

I've long thought that the franchise is wasted on the young and should be limited to net taxpayers over 30. Otherwise those who do nothing but take get to vote spitefully for higher taxes on those who pay for everything. But there's no need to legislate to make it so officially; the under 30s' almost total failure to vote means they've actually implemented it voluntarily for themselves.

Enjoy.

Rinoa

ruggedtoast wrote: »

What is novel is the propensity for Western countries, especially the UK and USA, to make vast swathes of their own citizens unemployed by outsourcing labour overseas.

So you agree with Baza, British jobs for British people.

gadgetmind

I was a net taxpayer at age 21, and even had to VAT register while still at university!

ukcarper

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Everything is run by boomers!

The PLP keep talking about "the electorate" whereas what they mean is "the electorate who currently votes en masse"

18 - 45s are massively out voted by 45+, both as a percentage of eligible voters and numerically.

These age demographics are not especially different politically. They pretty much all want high house prices, free public services (for them) and low taxes fueled by cuts to public spending (not cuts to pensions which are 70% of the welfare bill, or retirement age benefits though).

They are more likely to own companies or be in management than younger generations and so respond to messages about "flexible employment", whereas younger people want to hear about job security.

Thatcher did a brilliant job at transferring wealth from two generations to one other one and making that one feel uniformly middle class.

But other generations have conspicuously missed out on that which is why a great many people would like the Labour Party to actually be the Labour Party again.

How do you know what boomers want I think I might have more idea than you as I am one as are most of my friends.

By the way boomers are age between 52 and 70 there are roughly twice as many people age between 20 and 45 as there are boomers.

According to wiki approx 41% of population are between 20 and 50 while 34% is over 50.

martinsurrey

ruggedtoast wrote: »

But other generations have conspicuously missed out on that which is why a great many people would like the Labour Party to actually be the Labour Party again.

when was the Labour party the Labour party?

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

What is novel is the propensity for Western countries, especially the UK and USA, to make vast swathes of their own citizens unemployed by outsourcing labour overseas.

People want we've got. Quite rightly so. They are eager to work. To improve their lives. There's no entitlement to a standard of living just because we live in the UK or any of the Western world. Adapt to survive or become extinct.